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R/A: There was some good skating in there but I do not think this is an Olympic worthy program. It screams gimmick to hide flaws. I know they're loved and I have nothing against them but their material is not sophisticated at all.
I think it is an interesting program for the age of technology. Synchronized steps, some short and choppy like a text. They chose it because it is music they like to dance to. Saul is rather thoughtful about these things so I think they felt this reflected them best. Allison comes from an ice dance family rooted way back to dancing in hold and you can see how closely they skate together and how many times they got in an out of different types of hold and rotate around each other - very old school. I particularly like the fact that their choreographic lift has a scale/pendulum(?) look to it done low instead of rotating above the shoulders - who else does stuff like this? The equivalent of time passing while you are waiting for an automated response. There are all sorts of little nods to modern communication. I like that for as repetitive as the music can feel, that they kept finding unusual things to do to it. You do not have to love it, but maybe this will help you see something new and different about it to amuse you while watching.
 
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With the ice dance, I was honestly more wowed by the concept of the programs in the juniors- the Tarzan free from the French team is my favourite free of the season. And the goddess breaking out of a statue idea from the winners just screams bonkers old school 90s ice dance style to me (highlighted by the Klimova style costume)- but with a modern twist.
Excellent points - I love them both too because they are unique and different and well thought out while reflecting the abilities of the skaters well.
 
Congrats to Malinin for succeeding to land all the quads in the same program.
I have to give him all the props for all the hard work and persistence to train for this, to have the courage to do it after a so-so short and to actually accomplish this. Bravo for this amazing technical feat! May one day you also find as much joy in the creative side as well.
 
Ice dance: I'm not an ice dance fan and usually don't watch, but I really looove Chock/Bates free program this season and don't understand why no one else does?
I am enjoying it too now that Madison stopped giving me a heart attack with her skirt
Interestingly another Paint It Black program I remember is from wayback...1980 an exhibition number by Linda Fratianne - her dress was really amazing for its time.

 
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It was at the end of the ladies free - I time stamped it for you
Thank you! Sorry, I should have mentioned that I found it after all the good folks pointed me to it after the women's ceremony :) I enjoyed it very much. Particularly the bonus backflip.
 
I actually find no reason nor need to compare these two, at all.
Everything about competition is comparison, in relation to an established standard. Establishing who did something better, and why, is the entire basis of being able to accurately judge how something should be scored.

PCS judging has no real standards or thought put into it, on top of rules that are already heavily flawed, and that kills the artistry we get to see in competition. When someone is going to get basically the same score regardless of the actual quality of their choreography, musicality, and performance, then those elements of skating become an afterthought. And it's not like these qualities have ever been judged totally correct, thanks to reputation/political judging, but we've strayed very far from how important it's supposed to be and how it even gets discussed.
 
Competitions are exciting but they have the element of the arena I find off-putting, why I rarely watch a competition all the way through. It is the exact opposite for other fans, I know. May have something to do with intro vs extroversion personality traits? Not sure.. (Good example: we went to a massive peaceful demonstration in Washington DC a decade ago.. thousands of people. My nephew and his now wife were walking ahead when she suddenly turned into him, burying her face in his coat; he wrapped his arms around her and we closed in til the moment passed and she was able to continue and she was fine after that but the crowd was, in that moment, overwhelming for her. I understood how she felt.. without explanation.) So, skating is totally subjective for me. I watch competitions to see my favorites skate; scoring, placements are mildly interesting. In most instances I can’t explain why I like certain skaters over others, a ton of factors I suppose, conscious and subliminal. But some skaters I find unwatchable, including the most revered, and can totally relate to ardent fans of skaters they hold dear. I get playing to the crowd is a competitive skill some have in spades and others totally lack. The crowd can energize or destroy but I am there for the “art” of skating (including TES which arguably IS Art).
BTW/OT: I miss the young man from New Zealand this season, Yanhao Li .. does anyone know what he is doing now?
 
Competitions are exciting but they have the element of the arena I find off-putting, why I rarely watch a competition all the way through. It is the exact opposite for other fans, I know. May have something to do with intro vs extroversion personality traits? Not sure.. (Good example: we went to a massive peaceful demonstration in Washington DC a decade ago.. thousands of people. My nephew and his now wife were walking ahead when she suddenly turned into him, burying her face in his coat; he wrapped his arms around her and we closed in til the moment passed and she was able to continue and she was fine after that but the crowd was, in that moment, overwhelming for her. I understood how she felt.. without explanation.) So, skating is totally subjective for me. I watch competitions to see my favorites skate; scoring, placements are mildly interesting. In most instances I can’t explain why I like certain skaters over others, a ton of factors I suppose, conscious and subliminal. But some skaters I find unwatchable, including the most revered, and can totally relate to ardent fans of skaters they hold dear. I get playing to the crowd is a competitive skill some have in spades and others totally lack. The crowd can energize or destroy but I am there for the “art” of skating (including TES which arguably IS Art).
BTW/OT: I miss the young man from New Zealand this season, Yanhao Li .. does anyone know what he is doing now?
https://results.isu.org/events/jgp2025/jgpsmen.htm Yahhao Li competed in two events in JGP, he is 12th in the JGP ranking. 5th in Riga, 3rd in Bangkok. I assume he is preparing for JWC with his very enthusiastic coach.
 
And it's not like these qualities [[choreography, musicality and performance] have ever been judged totally correct...
To which I will add, "nor will they ever be."

We recently had a thread om great step sequences. Philippe Candeloro's swashbuckling sword fight was universally praised by GSers. Me? I was unmoved. Similarly I was not impressed by Alexei Yagudin's 2003 SP "Racing," in which he skated along pretending to be driving a race car. I am not ecstatic about a skater playing air guitar as part of his choreography. YMMD.

Why are Yuzuru Hanyu fans so enthusiastic about their guy? That's an easy question to answer: his skating transports them to paradise. He wins the Paradise Transportation bullet in the codification of IJS guidelines for PCS.

Why do I like Alysa Liu? Because she has that youthful. brash, "I Got This!" attitude on the ice. Even when she doesn't "got this" in a particular performance. it's "Oh well. I gave it my all, see you next time."

If the judges can't see that, then so much the worse for them, those cranky old sticks-in-the-mud.

Mone Chiba made some technical mistakes in the LP. But she picked up the "Wednesday's child is full of grace" bullet point.

(Actually, Chiba iwas born on a Sunday -- I looked it up. :) May 1. 2005, official International Love Day as well as Lemonade Day.)

OK, sports mist have rules, rules must be codified. Still. how do we propose to codify, to everyone's satisfaction, the aspects of figure skating that really matter?
 
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Alysa Liu skates magic. With her eyes, she invites all (virtual and local) audiences along on her brilliant, genuine journeys of emotion and joy. I notice a similar eyes-genuine-connection with Ami Nakai. A magnitude of expression.

Ilia Malinin has IT. He's a phenomenon, his skating as well as his jumps are gorgeous, he shows gratefulness, honesty, and a little bit of humility. He's an athletic artist.

Sara Conti and Niccoli Macii have little by little brought their tech level up to their artistry level. Very, very well done. They now sparkle both ways.

Emilea Zingas and Vadym Kolesnek had my absolute favorite of the Free Dances. They danced together with expansive, beautiful precision and agility, as opposed to doing movements that often seem prescribed by a meticulous physician. I agree with all the praise that Mark and Ted heaped on this team. "Committed to the length of extension" .. "athleticism and also so refined" .. "dynamism." Mark's analysis: They make big, big shaping, so athletic -- as opposed to teams that had a pattern dance and compulsory dance education. They're less restricted in their movement." Me: they are thrilling!

Madison and Evan also dance, while they bring to life programs (RD and FD) that are unique to them. They also develop and expand their programs from September thru Olympics or Worlds. That's part of their genius. I've always loved them, in spite of naysayers.
 
Now to the rest of the Free Dances, which amazingly were my favorite event at this competition.

Allison & Saulius are so natural, committed to their program, and always with a smile. A joy to watch. I love their commitment to holds.

Laurence & Guilliame. I finally figured out my feelings. First time I saw their FD, I was mesmerized. I think I was projecting from my experience of Gaby & Guilliame. After about the 5th watch of FB/C's FD, I realized what I was missing. Cizeron still has those beautiful skating skills and flexibility, and shoulder expression. Laurence has amazing skills, which amazingly match (ETA: or complement) his. But as someone said in the Papadakis/Ciz years, Gaby was the heart and soul of the team. Could Laurence develop that talent, if she has it? Only time will tell. Guilliame seems to have regressed in understated tenderness and seems to be trying to project more conventional romance. Not working for me.

Madison & Evan. They are THE premiere example of the beneficial talents of the Montreal IAM coaches, who are able to look at each of their teams with a new, unprejudiced eye. Marie-France et. al. bring out the previously hidden, best qualities of each team. Madison & Evan have a dynamic quality, connection and originality that seemingly only can be missed by people looking at dancers' feet.

Piper & Paul. I was so transported several years ago by their first Vincent program that this second version fell flat for me. Maybe it's because ice dancing has developed in subtle ways.

Mark Handretty kept remarking all through this event when a team or skater (in all disciplines) benefitted from as much from the middle mark of the PC ... paying attention to and finessing the Interpretation mark (and occasionally, also the Composition mark). I think he's right, and I think the adjustments that have been made to the scoring over the past few years may have subtly changed the judging. Maybe this is actually what some of the outraged fans, the ones who cry "conspiracy!" are upset about. As for me, I am thrilled to think that this may be happening across the disciplines. More attention to artistry ... all kinds, not just a predetermined set of (more) skills. Nothing could make me happier!

Lilah & Lewis. They're also reflecting newer judging that judges their own strengths, rather than comparing their skills to other more traditional couples. Lilah & Lewis are entertainers who bring joy, excitement, enthusiasm right into their excellent skating. It's contagious. Audiences love them. That kind of bringing happiness is wonderful. Wonderful.
 
Now to the rest of the Free Dances, which amazingly were my favorite event at this competition.

Allison & Saulius are so natural, committed to their program, and always with a smile. A joy to watch. I love their commitment to holds.

Laurence & Guilliame. I finally figured out my feelings. First time I saw their FD, I was mesmerized. I think I was projecting from my experience of Gaby & Guilliame. After about the 5th watch of FB/C's FD, I realized what I was missing. Cizeron still has those beautiful skating skills and flexibility, and shoulder expression. Laurence has amazing skills, which amazingly match (ETA: or complement) his. But as someone said in the Papadakis/Ciz years, Gaby was the heart and soul of the team. Could Laurence develop that talent, if she has it? Only time will tell. Guilliame seems to have regressed in understated tenderness and seems to be trying to project more conventional romance. Not working for me.

Madison & Evan. They are THE premiere example of the beneficial talents of the Montreal IAM coaches, who are able to look at each of their teams with a new, unprejudiced eye. Marie-France et. al. bring out the previously hidden, best qualities of each team. Madison & Evan have a dynamic quality, connection and originality that seemingly only can be missed by people looking at dancers' feet.

Piper & Paul. I was so transported several years ago by their first Vincent program that this second version fell flat for me. Maybe it's because ice dancing has developed in subtle ways.

Mark Handretty kept remarking all through this event when a team or skater (in all disciplines) benefitted from as much from the middle mark of the PC ... paying attention to and finessing the Interpretation mark (and occasionally, also the Composition mark). I think he's right, and I think the adjustments that have been made to the scoring over the past few years may have subtly changed the judging. Maybe this is actually what some of the outraged fans, the ones who cry "conspiracy!" are upset about. As for me, I am thrilled to think that this may be happening across the disciplines. More attention to artistry ... all kinds, not just a predetermined set of (more) skills. Nothing could make me happier!

Lilah & Lewis. They're also reflecting newer judging that judges their own strengths, rather than comparing their skills to other more traditional couples. Lilah & Lewis are entertainers who bring joy, excitement, enthusiasm right into their excellent skating. It's contagious. Audiences love them. That kind of bringing happiness is wonderful. Wonderful.
french has been skating since january..and you are comparing them now with the people who had skated many years, since childhood...He was draggin her across the ice in their first senior years, she was better in later stages of their carrer. It took her a while to get a right level.
in 4 years we will say how cizeron skates with laurence. it is too soon now.
If Papadakis had continued and chosen a partner, do you think their program would have been brilliant and they as a couple too?

I think it is bad that they came back for olympic year. American was chosen to be gold olympic medalist. They won last 3 worlds , they had no competition, they were weak artistically and technically but nobody cared.. and now cizeron looks like the one who came to disturb. Judges wont give french gold just like that. Americans will have to have big mistake , otherwise they win with low levels,shallow edges, weak twizzles.
 
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french has been skating since january..and you are comparing them now with the people who had skated many years, since childhood...He was draggin her across the ice in their first senior years, she was better in later stages of their carrer. It took her a while to get a right level.
in 4 years we will say how cizeron skates with laurence. it is too soon now.
If Papadakis had continued and chosen a partner, do you think their program would have been brilliant and they as a couple too?

I think it is bad that they came back for olympic year. American was chosen to be gold olympic medalist. They won last 3 worlds , they had no competition, they were weak artistically and technically but nobody cared.. and now cizeron looks like the one who came to disturb. Judges wont give french gold just like that. Americans will have to have big mistake , otherwise they win with low levels,shallow edges, weak twizzles.
I think, what @skylark means, is that the artistry and the projection of feelings were always Gabriella's wheelhouse. She brought the magic that propulsed them for excellent skaters to a truly unique dance couple. They were also always interested in pushing the boundaries of Ice Dance beyond the traditional man/woman dynamic and to find truly meaningful variants (RD for the last OG). What unites Guillaume and Laurence is friendship, a pairing born of opportunity but also of a strong bond. They are very compatible and have beautiful lines. They do not project magic but you do not need it to win the OG.
 
in 4 years we will say how cizeron skates with laurence. it is too soon now.
And it's too soon for them to be getting scores appropriate to 2-time Olympic medalists.

If Papadakis had continued and chosen a partner, do you think their program would have been brilliant and they as a couple too?

That theoretical question is missing a vital element: who is the partner?
I think it is bad that they came back for olympic year.
Agree, but my reasons are NOT yours. I don't define Madison and Evan by perceived weaknesses that some others can't see anything but.
 
Could someone please give me a link to Rewatch thread for this event? I haven't seen enough of Emilea and Vadym's Free Dance.

And I missed the Rhythm Dances completely.
Already for a while there is no more REWATCH thread...
 
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