Ladies LP

[Tonichelle]

Well, I don't see late October vs early November being much of a difference.

it will be the second competition for most all of the top skaters (except those only skating one) so they'll have worked a bunch of kinks out... it's not the very beginning of the season... there'll be a difference.

and it'll be closer to the holiday season so more American families will be in the mindset for a good family friendly skating show on tv.

 

[R.D.]

I want to give a belated congratulations to Rachael. She certainly delivered for the U.S. women. And people are going to roll their heads and be annoyed by this, but for frick's sake Alissa! The SP was a disaster as many predicted and even her LP wasn't that special. It was special for Alissa's standards because she stayed on her feet, but compared to the rest of the top ladies, it was just okay. Yes, I'm going to say it, the Z word. Zhang could have and probably would have secured that third spot.

Oh man, I don't think I can take much more of this! :banging:

If anything, 2 spots next year, coupled with the USFS rule change, means that Alyssa, if anything, screwed herself by screwing up. But at least one other deserving lady is going to be left off the Olympic team. Heck, even if we had three spots someone deserving would have missed the opportunity- our ladies field is that competitive.

 

[wonderlen3000]

Mao should stick to this layout; SP: 3F+3T, 3Lz, 2A
LP: 3A, 3F+3T, 2A+3T,3Lo,3F+2Lo+2Lo,3Lz(3S),2A

Attempting a second 3A is too risky since she be using a lot of energy for attempting the first 3A and not to mention the risk of downgrade or worse a fall. If she just do a 2A instead of 3A, her score might 122+ 3.5 + GOE (+1 for sure) + 1(for not falling) and it's more than enough for silver medal.

She needs a new coach and better selection of music. Phamton of the Opera is a great music. I totally loved what Takahashi did with that piece of program. The dramatic music might help Mao with facial expression since the music is great.

 

[R.D.]

it will be the second competition for most all of the top skaters (except those only skating one) so they'll have worked a bunch of kinks out... it's not the very beginning of the season... there'll be a difference.

You're right. I overlooked that part. A higher level of skating- of course. *shakes head*

and it'll be closer to the holiday season so more American families will be in the mindset for a good family friendly skating show on tv.

Nah, just another counterprogramming alternative to football.

 

[Tonichelle]

whatever works...

 

[salt03]

Kim deserves to win , no doubt!! But I feel that scores are too inflated. I do not think she deserves the PCS she got both short and long. I feel that judging was really biased and that judges have already decided that they are going to give her more than 200 scores anyway if she skates decent. That will give a little bit more excitement to Figure skating world which seems to be loosing popularity except in Asia, especially right before Olympic. On the other hand, it is killing the excitement for the sports as well. I mean skaters might already think that there is no way to beat that score so why try. It brings boredom to the sports. At this point, nobody can beat that socre and only way to win is for Yu-Na to make huge mistakes. Only skater who might be able to beat that score is Mao, but she has a major work to do with her lutz and confidence issue.
Mao looked very nervous even before she got on the ice. I have read somewhere that her former coach, Yamada said that she had lost motivations after 4CC. By the way I kind of blame Yamada for not teaching lutz correctly from the beginning. She could have had a beautiful lutz now. Maybe this low point may help her to motivate herself and fight for next season.

Yes, Kim deserved to win no doubt. Joannie and Miki deserved to be in podium. Miki conducted beautiful program with no mistake. And Joannie also did do well. They have good technical skills. Good skill should compansated for TES. That is sports and fairness. Sports doesn't exist only for excitement. Competition sports must be fairness. If some athlete had a great skill, that guy should got a high score.

As you note, Kim deserved to win, and she deserved to get over 200 points. Please look protocol details. PCS may be infarated, Right. But all top skaters in this World(Kim, Joannie, Miki, Mao, even Kostner) was got a infrated PCS.

And Mao deserved to 4th. She had fallen down in second 3A, and 3F-2Lo was downgraded (2Lo<) in her TES. Her PCS is high enough.

 

[Mathman]

...for frick's sake Alissa! The SP was a disaster as many predicted and even her LP wasn't that special.

You make it sound like skaters deliberately mess up just to make people on Internet forums mad.

 

[salt03]

Mao should stick to this layout; SP: 3F+3T, 3Lz, 2A
LP: 3A, 3F+3T, 2A+3T,3Lo,3F+2Lo+2Lo,3Lz(3S),2A

Attempting a second 3A is too risky since she be using a lot of energy for attempting the first 3A and not to mention the risk of downgrade or worse a fall. If she just do a 2A instead of 3A, her score might 122+ 3.5 + GOE (+1 for sure) + 1(for not falling) and it's more than enough for silver medal.

She needs a new coach and better selection of music. Phamton of the Opera is a great music. I totally loved what Takahashi did with that piece of program. The dramatic music might help Mao with facial expression since the music is great.

I agree with you. Mao's second 3A is too risky..
If she won the game, she should have high consistancy second 3A or change to 2A

 

[Mathman]

On another note, I was just looking at the proptocols and I noticed that for every one of the top 12 ladies, their lowest program component score was Transitions.

Maybe because it is the easiest of the five marks to quantify?

 

[salt03]

Congratulations to all the medalists !!!

So happy for Miki !!! Standing ovation. Wow . What a great comeback !!!

Overall, my favorite performances were Miki’s SP and also Yu-Na’s SP.


Miki's SP was exquisite, and Yu-Na's SP was on fire.


Yu-Na didn’t seem to skip a bit from her SP to her LP. Another fiery performance. Although I like her SP program and music better. But this LP was great too.

I thought Mao did good job too, and I liked her red costume. Only one fall.

Flying under the radar at this World’s was Elene Gedevanishvili. So happy she finally was able to show more of what she’s capable of. She’s a natural artist, with good dancing talent, and both her programs were fun with interesting choreography.

Yes, Miki's short and Long program was so good!
I'm glad to see 'injury-free' Miki, and her good program.

Yuna's program was also amazing both short and long.
It's a great pity that the season has ended. I will miss that programs..

 

[passiononice]

I'm sure it was very hard for Carolina to skate after Yu-Na. It's the hardest to skate after people who clearly dominated.

 

[Blades of Passion]

^ I'm not sure how you could have Alissa over Fumie (nor Meier for that matter, to a lesser extent) with them both skating similar level of LP but Czisny's SP being by far inferior?

Alissa's LP was better than Fumie's. Her SP wasn't "far inferior" either. You have to consider every element. She made the two big mistakes on the jumps but every spin was better, as was her Spiral. Alissa is the best in the World on those elements and it's a flaw in the scoring system that spins don't receive the same +GOE as jumps.

Fumie is not the skater she was several years ago. Her programs lack impact.

 

[CalloftheBlade]

Someone may have answered this already but why was Yuna's last element given 0 points? It looked fully executed to me... Had she landed that 3S and gotten credit for the spin she would have easily ended up with 140+... a few for the jump another 3-4 for the spin and then another PCS inflation for skating a "perfect" program??

 

[Tinymavy15]

Mao should stick to this layout; SP: 3F+3T, 3Lz, 2A
LP: 3A, 3F+3T, 2A+3T,3Lo,3F+2Lo+2Lo,3Lz(3S),2A

Attempting a second 3A is too risky since she be using a lot of energy for attempting the first 3A and not to mention the risk of downgrade or worse a fall. If she just do a 2A instead of 3A, her score might 122+ 3.5 + GOE (+1 for sure) + 1(for not falling) and it's more than enough for silver medal.

She needs a new coach and better selection of music. Phamton of the Opera is a great music. I totally loved what Takahashi did with that piece of program. The dramatic music might help Mao with facial expression since the music is great.

:thumbsup::yes:

to everything you said. I kept trying to come up with a good music choice for Mao for 2010. Phantom would be amazing for the olympics. there are some beautiful soft pieces such as "angel of music" and "music of the night" and some really powerful and dramatic selections too. I hope Mao and/or tatianna read this board. i think Racheal does. She got two new dresses for worlds, neither one blue!

 

[cosmos]

Someone may have answered this already but why was Yuna's last element given 0 points? It looked fully executed to me... Had she landed that 3S and gotten credit for the spin she would have easily ended up with 140+... a few for the jump another 3-4 for the spin and then another PCS inflation for skating a "perfect" program??

YuNa made a mistake of repeating same spin (she failed to put flying spin).

Is this correct explanation?

 

[Tonichelle]

You make it sound like skaters deliberately mess up just to make people on Internet forums mad.

there's no such thing as bad press... and at least people are talking about you when you flub up.

 

[salt03]

Someone may have answered this already but why was Yuna's last element given 0 points? It looked fully executed to me... Had she landed that 3S and gotten credit for the spin she would have easily ended up with 140+... a few for the jump another 3-4 for the spin and then another PCS inflation for skating a "perfect" program??

According to LP rules, 3 spins should be executed different type each.
1. A Spin with only one position
2. Flying Spin
3. Spin Combination

Yuna did FSSp (4th element), [F]CoSp (9th, after a sal), CCoSp(12d, last).

FSSp was for 'A Spin with only one position'

[F]CoSp was for 'Flying Spin'

But she started that spin to back entrance(she changed this part), so [F]CoSp was confirmed CoSp that was 'Spin Combination' (But Yuna didn't recognize that)

Thus, last spin CCoSp was repeated 'Spin Combination', so that marked '0'.
Of course she did fully executed last spin.

If she did last spin element rightly, she would get more 3 or 4 in LP and get total 210...maybe!

That's why Flatt's last spin didn't count also.

* You can see that rule :
http://www.isu.org/vsite/vfile/page/fileurl/0,11040,4844-191592-208815-140518-0-file,00.pdf
(p.100)

 

[mhu714]

Ks777 said

I know she (Ando) still lacks in betweens moves and hope she will really work on that.

and

She really needs to work on her posture and put more in between moves, I hope Miki is reading this board!

Exactly. That anyone with flaws such as those received mostly 8's for PCS and even a 9 for interpetation is completely ridiculous. We are what we are, and while Miki is a tremendous jumper I don't think she will ever be a great artist worthy of scores like those. I guess the judging will always be the judging, extremely flawed at times.

 

[skate4ever]

Someone may have answered this already but why was Yuna's last element given 0 points? It looked fully executed to me... Had she landed that 3S and gotten credit for the spin she would have easily ended up with 140+... a few for the jump another 3-4 for the spin and then another PCS inflation for skating a "perfect" program??

YuNa made a mistake of repeating same spin (she failed to put flying spin).

Is this correct explanation?

After Yu-Na botched her triple Salchow, she forgot (or lost the beat) to "fly into" her spin, making it a regular sit-spin. She could have rectified the situation by "flying into" her last spin, but failed to do so because it never occurred to her and/or because she's never practiced that way. Thus both spins were regarded as regular sit-spins, making the final one ineligible. She later admitted that it was her mistake to overlook the exact requirements.

 

[mhu714]

Blades of Passion said:

Alissa's LP was better than Fumie's. Her SP wasn't "far inferior" either. You have to consider every element. She made the two big mistakes on the jumps but every spin was better, as was her Spiral. Alissa is the best in the World on those elements and it's a flaw in the scoring system that spins don't receive the same +GOE as jumps.

Thank you. I didn't even mention before that one of the judges who underscored Czisny on PCS also gave her GOE scores of 1 for her spins!! Now that's a judge who should be fired. Whatever jumping problems she has should not have a bearing on spinning, should it?