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Ladies LP

Mao should stick to this layout; SP: 3F+3T, 3Lz, 2A
LP: 3A, 3F+3T, 2A+3T,3Lo,3F+2Lo+2Lo,3Lz(3S),2A

I think she should do 3A, 3F+3Lo, 2A in the SP. She is completely able to do the 3A out of footwork and pretty much NEEDS it to compete with Yu-Na in that segment of the competition.

For the LP she should do 3A+2T, 3A, 3F+3Lo+2Lo, 3S, 2A+3T, 3Lz, 3Lo. Mao needs to stop worrying so much about the edge on the Lutz. That is really messing her up. Just do it clean out of some nice footwork, like she always did in the past, and ignore the ! (or possible 'e') mark. There is no point in concerning herself with it; Yu-Na doesn't have a 3Axel or 3Loop. Everyone has different strengths and if Mao focused on hers she would win. The tech content she is capable of is so much farther ahead of every other woman. Taking a deduction on the Lutz is nothing.
 
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YuNa made a mistake of repeating same spin (she failed to put flying spin).

Is this correct explanation?

GS's worlds report offers an explanation

"We changed the spin after the Four Continents to get a level four," Kim explained. "It is my fault that I did not have it checked to make sure that it was correct before I came here."

The ISU rules state that a skater must do three spins in the freeskate; a flying spin, a spin with no change of position, and a combination spin. Kim completed a flying spin and two combination spins, therefore receiving no credit for her final element.

Feel kind of amazed. You would think there are people out there to check such kind of things for skaters! Well, better happened this time than next time, especially because this time it didn't really matter whether her spin combo was counted or not. The same goes with Rachel Flatt too. Failing to get the spin counted didn't cost her or Team USA anything.
 
You would think there are people out there to check such kind of things for skaters!

First off, they do. and Second - as stated in the quote you quoted - she knows there are people who check AND she said that it was HER FAULT because she DIDN'T get it checked.

I'm just surprised Orser and team didn't do that first thing.
 
First off, they do. and Second - as stated in the quote you quoted - she knows there are people who check AND she said that it was HER FAULT because she DIDN'T get it checked.

I'm just surprised Orser and team didn't do that first thing.

That's exactly what I meant by there are people out there who should check such kind of thing for skaters. By people, I meant "Orser and her team." :)
 
The ISU rules state that a skater must do three spins in the freeskate; a flying spin, a spin with no change of position, and a combination spin.

When did this rule come about? Previously you just couldn't repeat the exact same kind of spin.

The "freeskate" sure does keep getting less free.
 
Just watched the CBC broadcast, my impressions:

Alissa Czisny: I think some are being unduly harsh. Her long program was pretty good and there's no reason to think Zhang would have placed any better necessarily. After all, didn't Zhang also have a disaster of a short at junior worlds? It would have left her just as buried as Czisny after the SP, no matter what she did in the long.

Alina Leonova: I can see the potential there with the big jumps, and the go-get-it attitude, but man, does she need a style makeover stat — and I'm not talking about her appearance. Her posture on crossovers etc is about as bad as Ando's, her spiral sequence is atrociously awful, and her program entirely empty. Shakey spins as well. But one does get the sense that these things are fixable.

Fumie Suguri: I was rather shocked at how dull Suguri was here. I usually like her a lot, but she was so mechanical. It was just moving from one jump to another. No performance spark at all.

Rachael Flatt: This program worked much better for her than the one she showed at U.S. nationals, which made her look unbearably dull. In this one, while still not a firecracker, there was at least some artistic merit, and you could see potential for a lot more.

Mao Asada: She ticked off the jumps. The program was boring. It did not bring out the best in her at all. Totally emotionless. For Asada I suggest some kind of music appreciation course. The time when I've seen the most connection from her with any piece of music was a couple of years ago with the SP. Since then, nada. It's frustrating, because she could be so much more, she has such natural lightness and balletic ability.

Miki Ando: She, too, ticked off jumps through the middle part of her program, but she had a bit more expression than Asada. Posture is something she needs to work on. Her shoulders really came up towards the end.

Joannie Rochette: So thrilled for her to finally hit the podium. She and Kim were the only ones, I felt, who really performed an actual, fully-realized program, to specific music. She fought her jumps a bit, but came away with only a couple minor errors.

Yu Na Kim: She really was the class of the field here. She had incredible charisma and artistry out there, unlike just about the entire rest of the field, added to the technical, well — world champion, pretty much says it all.
 
Sadly, Alyssa was only 5 points behind Fumie overall, for the 8th place position.

Just the double axel and Alyssa would be in the 2nd to last group with higher PCS, qualifying 3 spots for the US.
 
Sadly, Alyssa was only 5 points behind Fumie overall, for the 8th place position.

Just the double axel and Alyssa would be in the 2nd to last group with higher PCS, qualifying 3 spots for the US.

don't remind me, please :banging:

Still though, had she had a better SP, we don't know whether she would have relaxed as she did for the LP. I think that was her best performance of that LP all season.
 
After all these years & decades, I still make sure to watch ladies, of course, lol. Though I've been bad & haven't had the time nor the inclination to watch the SPs, yet (had someone tape them for me but still haven't gotten around to watching them, oh well).

BUT, I redeemed myself & watched, *I think*, all of the ladies LPs that were shown on NBC (though I do admit to nodding off for at least a couple of them).;)

That said, I recall watching the Georgian girl (Scotty's fav & someone I recall watching skate just before Sasha Cohen took to the ice at the 2006 Olympics). She did well. And then there was Fumie, same ole same ole. Hmm, who else. Rachael Flatt, good job, thought she would finish #7 (like Sarah Hughes did in her first debut at Worlds, but she even bettered that position, kudos to her!). Carolina Kostner, the statuesque beauty I recall saying was a precious diamond the first time I ever saw her skate, and that hasn't changed ~ *if*, always that if, she could get it together she would be on the podium, mayhap even the top (but the same could be said of Nicole Bobek, and so it goes...). Who else, let me think, aha of course the top 4, and then there was a few I recall only in name only (Leonova? and someone else like Leposito?).

Okay, now to the top 4. Joannie Rochette, with her silver medal win, she keeps the hope alive for skaters like Cohen & Kwan, and possibly Flatt & the other top 4 from US Nationals (except Czisny IMHO, nothing against her, just my humble opinion). And I was so proud of Miki Ando ~ she fulfilled practically everything I felt the first time I saw her skate ~ just add the quad, Miki, easier said than done, I know; I'm still hoping to see that total transformation. And what can you say about Mao & Yuna, each uniquely different yet alike in some way, but never dull or boring. BUT, I must say Mao is the one that had me on the edge of my seat with her beautiful triple/double (with Boitano flair), and then awaiting the second triple axel was pure tension, lol. In this regards I'm like Peggy Fleming ~ I recall once she said on-air about how she appreciates beautiful artistic skating, but the jumps is what makes her hold her breath & left in awe (at the time I think she was talking about Tonya Harding & possibly someone else). Anyhow, this is the way I felt with Mao's triple axels. :) Along with that, she does skate beautifully, but what is missing in my humble opinion is that first & foremost she must skate *cleanly* & with more power & attack & joy! The sky's the limit if & when she does, otherwise she will always be the bridesmaid instead of the bride. And, of course, Yuna is the bride & deservedly so!:clap:
 
I'm an 11pm-7am night auditor for a motel here in western North Carolina, and I have access to the internet only during these hours - no pc at home. I was totally unable to get into this forum Saturday night, but after watching the last group on my recording Sunday morning I would like to offer some comments.

I've never seen a Worlds Ladies final with so many wildly different levels of performances. It was unreal. We had Yu-Na's dream performance and then we saw Carolina just go "Ka-blam" in one of the worst skates by a world-ranked skater I have ever seen in 50 years of watching skating. That she had the sheer guts to complete the program was admirable - I'll give her that much.

Fumie Suguri - I have loved this lady for years but this was unbelievably dull and clunky.

Maybe I'm wrong but I would have placed Miki 2nd and Mao 3rd
- just didn't see the merit in Joannie's skate that was mentioned.

I really enjoyed Laura Lepisto, Elene Gedevanishvili, Alena Leonova - Lepisto has this beautiful back posture, much like Dorothy Hamill, and I hope to see her skate a flawless performance sometime in the future. And all three of the above are - no cringing, please - ka-yute!:laugh:

And finally, I was so proud of Rachel Flatt - how many thought she would finish fifth? Well, I did myself! Just think of the possibilities if she had landed everything cleanly in both programs like she has been most of the time!
 
Maybe I'm wrong but I would have placed Miki 2nd and Mao 3rd - just didn't see the merit in Joannie's skate that was mentioned

I think you're correct. Joannie has been praised for her artistry this season but I don't see it. I sat very close to the ice and her facial expressions were usually either blank or in opposition to the music. Her general body movement doesn't create any special feeling either. Joannie's LP had better transitions than Miki's and Mao's, but that's it. Miki was emoting quite well and Mao has beautiful skating quality with the way she moves across the ice. If I could use one word to describe Joannie's skating it would be "workmanlike".

Also, Joannie's Program Component scores weren't even higher than Miki's or Mao's. The reason she got the Silver medal was because of unfair penalties from downgrades that Miki and Mao received (Miki's 3Loop in the LP shouldn't have even been downgraded in the first place). Once again, this is a major CoP problem that needs to be fixed.
 
Fumie's come up again and I keep thinking how dull and slow she appeared, and like everything was SO HARD. I admire Fumie for sticking around so long and having a comeback of sorts, but truthfully I would rather have seen Nakano.
 
I think you're correct. Joannie has been praised for her artistry this season but I don't see it. I sat very close to the ice and her facial expressions were usually either blank or in opposition to the music. Her general body movement doesn't create any special feeling either. Joannie's LP had better transitions than Miki's and Mao's, but that's it. Miki was emoting quite well and Mao has beautiful skating quality with the way she moves across the ice. If I could use one word to describe Joannie's skating it would be "workmanlike".

Also, Joannie's Program Component scores weren't even higher than Miki's or Mao's. The reason she got the Silver medal was because of unfair penalties from downgrades that Miki and Mao received (Miki's 3Loop in the LP shouldn't have even been downgraded in the first place). Once again, this is a major CoP problem that needs to be fixed.

I got a different sense watching on tv. I found Joannie's LP artistically beautiful and loved the way she payed attention to detail. Her program was alot more relaxed than Mao and had a softness about it. Was not perfect but iam so glad she got a medal. I thought Mao was just wonderful in her LP at 4cc though. It had been my favourite that time.
 
Me too! She was amazing. I really will make a Miki-banner, my first ladies banner ever...

I think there is an interesting and special quality to her, that has nothing to do with Asada's lyrical grace or Kim's popular powerful-musical style.

ITA. I couldn't say why exactly, but she is the lady who touches me most with her skating.
 
Spins not counting

I've only just looked at the protocols for the LP and it looks like Yuna's final spin didn't count, apparently neither did Flatt's.

Seemingly they had a Combination spin earlier in the program and then doing a change foot combination spin wasn't allowed? Have they changed their programs from earlier on in the season or were these freak mistakes? It is bizarre to think that you'd make as big a mistake as doing the wrong spin.

Ant
 
the spin thing was discussed a few pages back, ant, you're late to the party. In Yuna's case YES they did change the spin at the end of the program but no one checked to make sure it was "legal" in the system... she took full blame for it, which is commendable. Orser, though, should have had someone check up on any changes they made for Worlds.
 
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