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I've been reliably informed that Megan Oster is currently dealing with a medical condition that will hopefully be resolved in the near future. As of now, she is planning to compete next at the DuPage Open near Chicago in mid-August.
 
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Mathman said:
Would Lysacek's triple Axel be an example of this?
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He doesn't take off from a back inside edge. It's still a forward outside edge. I don't think I've ever seen a 3Axel off a back inside edge.

People who pre-rotate their Axel's a half-turn (or close to it) are skidding through a counter turn, not a 3-turn. It's possible to change to the back inside edge (3-turn) but that would only really work for a Single Axel. I can't imagine people using that technique and being able to learn Triple Axels. That doesn't make it a Salchow, either. Salchows start pre-rotating from the back inside edge, with the free leg being pushed through at the same time. With this wonky back-inside edge Axel, the free leg is already pushed through and you're jumping right off that edge. Different mechanic...a rather disastrous one.
 
Mysticchic said:
I've been reliably informed that Megan Oster is currently dealing with a medical condition that will hopefully be resolved in the near future. As of now, she is planning to compete next at the DuPage Open near Chicago in mid-August.
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ugh:cry::disapp::cry::disapp:
Joe
 
There is a jump which takes off on a forward inside edge. It's been outlawed by the CoP.

Lysacek's strange axel was from 1/2 turn on the ice and appeared to be like a toe off. Nothing to do with a forward inside edge.
Joe
 
Joesitz said:
There is a jump which takes off on a forward inside edge. It's been outlawed by the CoP.
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From the opposite foot as the usual axel takeoff. It's called an inside axel. It's not outlawed (it's not an illegal element) -- it just doesn't have a point value and therefore is considered a transition, so for many skaters the reward may not be commensurate with the difficulty. Especially if one were to add a revolution.

Of course, we do see plenty of single walleys, in both directions even, as connecting moves.

Here's Julie Lynn Holmes at 1969 Worlds doing an inside axel at about the 3:40 point in the video. Sure looks like a double to me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNP6VaJZzE0
 
Just wanted to say THANKS for the reports and the video links!!! So, so appreciated and very wonderful!
 
Mysticchic said:
Sorry about putting 2 on one video. Here are the links to the right ones. After taping for 3 days and editting, these old eyes kinda had it last night. Enjoy!

Grant Hochstein 1st in SP and FS 1st overall
http://youtube.com/watch?v=tpSIPbv5R3Q

William Nottingham Jr Men's fs
http://youtube.com/watch?v=B5I8ORxgBjY

Dane Carter FS
http://youtube.com/watch?v=LovdCakfEXc
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Thanks Mysti chic- That Grant Hochstein is quite good. Lots of flow and so musical! Is he Canadian and is there some background on him?

Joe
 
Joesitz said:
That Grant Hochstein is quite good. Lots of flow and so musical!
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He's worked very hard to improve the "musical" side of his skating these past few years while overcoming injury. His 2 stellar performances in Detroit were definitely a highlight of the entire competition for me!
 
Mine to. Dan Hollander and his possey was sitting right in front of us and they gave him a standing O.
 
ElFuego said:
I can't imagine it because it wouldn't happen. If a skater took off on a FORWARD inside edge, rotated 3 times in the air, then they would land on a FORWARD edge.
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Check out Mao's LP, she did a small foot work sequence leading up to a chocktaw into a 3A. Nothing wrong with that, but many skaters are quite agile and cat-like. I think another skater could do the same sequence leading up to a mohawk (accidently) into a 3A because of agility and strength of purpose. We've seen many skaters fight 'off balances' and land correctly.

Joe
 
Joesitz said:
Check out Mao's LP, she did a small foot work sequence leading up to a chocktaw into a 3A. Nothing wrong with that, but many skaters are quite agile and cat-like. I think another skater could do the same sequence leading up to a mohawk (accidently) into a 3A because of agility and strength of purpose. We've seen many skaters fight 'off balances' and land correctly.
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Actually, I think she did (at Skate America) steps to a back outside mohawk (meaning she stepped from a back outside edge to a forward outside edge), but it's hard to tell from the angle of the camera what the final backward edge was. You're right, it could have been a choctaw (meaning she stepped from a back inside edge to a forward outside edge), but in either case, her take-off edge was a forward outside edge.

At Worlds, she changed the entry to a series of brackets, then stepped forward onto the forward outside edge.

My point though, was that since an triple axel is three and a half rotations, if a skater only rotated three times, they would land facing forward, not backward, and it would not count as a triple.
 
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