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Women's FS - 2022 Olympics: Thoughts?

the only thing i can say at this point is i will always support the skaters themselves, but i can no longer support sambo 70 and Team Tutberidze in any way. they have massively failed their athletes. all 3 of them. and likely the ones back home too.

the sport desparately needs change.

and i need a nap, a therapy session and a glass of wine.
 
Yes, she was trying to remove herself from the situation multiple times. But they kept shoving the cameras in her face, even as she begged them to leave her alone. I get it, it‘s the Olympics, it happens. Drama and pain sells. But how could anyone possibly blame Sasha for that?!
I think a lot of people who blame her for throwing a tantrum are Anna fans and they don't like that Anna's spotlight was taken away from her. And I get where they're coming from. I feel for Anna too.
 
you know what lacrimosa means right? it certainly won not only gold but tainted the whole event



Mournful that day
When from the ashes shall rise
a guilty man to be judged.
Lord, have mercy on him.
Gentle Lord Jesus,
grant them eternal rest.
I actually was just about to comment that Lacrimosa turned out to be the most appropriate music choice for the event after all.
 
As a reminder, the spotlight was taken away from Zagitova in the last Olympics, but she ended up OK.

“Olympic Gold Medalist” especially in the Winter Olympics’ number one event, lasts forever. The drama that happens before and during the medal ceremony is just fleeting tabloid gossip nonsense.

20 years from now, the record books say Anna is, was, and will always be, champion. Not the stuff that happened before or after the event.

And as an Anna supporter, Trusova let her emotions out. So what? Was she supposed to lie and say she felt great losing to Anna? Prefer Trusova be honest than put on a disingenuous charade for the cameras.

When the girls don’t show emotion, they get criticism for being robots; when they do, they get called tantrums.

These ladies can’t win.
 
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I can't say that i feel something. It's like it isn't even olympics. This competition is overrated anyway, since it isn't athletically more demanding than worlds. Not like in tennis where a grand slam is harder to win than any other ATP tournament.

With how things went during the season, i knew i wouldn't even enjoy the event that much. The best line-up at these olympics would have been a line-up with Rika, Bradie and Mai.

The drama was just the icing on the cake. I couldn't be more indifferent to the results. This wasn't a normal competition.

Maybe months later, i will realize that Anna is an OGM, Sasha and Kaori olympic medalists. But for now their medals are like any other medals. I just now that they skated well enough to be on a podium.

Now i just can't wait for next season. I don't even care for worlds.
 
That's why I said if she keeps her quads. She needs a good coach! Out of the three she has the most chance of going four more years. She's very athletic and seems more resilient due to her muscular build.
to me it's irrelevant about the quads. i just see the pattern... there is too much emphasis on the big prize from a young age and not enough on the joy of skating and the work and the process... focusing on results is never the best way to achieve anything... you leave yourself with an ultimatum... we all know how that works against most people.
 
there is too much emphasis on the big prize from a young age and not enough on the joy of skating and the work and the process... focusing on results is never the best way to achieve anything... you leave yourself with an ultimatum... we all know how that works against most people.
100% this!
But maybe with a healthier environment/different coach she will see things from another perspective. One can hope.
 
to me it's irrelevant about the quads. i just see the pattern... there is too much emphasis on the big prize from a young age and not enough on the joy of skating and the work and the process... focusing on results is never the best way to achieve anything... you leave yourself with an ultimatum... we all know how that works against most people.


In fact, IIRC, that's what Nathan has said.

He put too much pressure on himself before 2018. He did make "Gold medal or bust" the goal at the Olys. And we know what happened.

Because Nathan as a men's skater subsequently had time to grow, as a person and an athlete, to go to college and realize that "Gold medal or bust" is no way to live life, let alone win a gold medal, he developed into the skater he is today.

My sincere wish is that all ladies' skaters have that option:pray:
 
In fact, IIRC, that's what Nathan has said.

He put too much pressure on himself before 2018. He did make "Gold medal or bust" the goal at the Olys. And we know what happened.

Because Nathan as a men's skater subsequently had time to grow, as a person and an athlete, to go to college and realize that "Gold medal or bust" is no way to live life, let alone win a gold medal, he developed into the skater he is today.

My sincere wish is that all ladies' skaters have that option:pray:
speed skater laurent dubreuil, world champion in 2021... had not lost the podium this season until last week at the olympics where he placed 4th... he was obviously disappointed but he told the media : you know, of course, i know i had this race in me but i didn't get it out there on the ice today... but i woke up this morning, a happy man, and i will wake up tomorrow, as a happy man. There is more to my life than one race. (iam paraphrasing and translating from an interview in french from a few days ago)
 
This may sound cruel, but I hope this was a wake-up call for Sasha. These judges made it very clear that they preferred a well-rounded skater over technical firepower. Once she's well removed from the situation and realizes that landing 5 quads still wasn't enough for her to win, I hope she puts real time and effort into improving her spins, steps, and PCS. Of these three girls, she has the best chance at making another Olympic team, and if she can become a more well-rounded skater while maintaining her technical prowess, who knows what she could accomplish?

I just hope she runs far, far away from Sambo 70. I'll admit, I originally thought she was just throwing a tantrum because she didn't win. To me and my sleep-deprived brain, that's how it came across at first. But I've realized now that there is probably a LOT more that contributed to that reaction that we don't know about. I still think it's important to be gracious in defeat, but I sympathize with her, I really do. It's obvious that Sambo is not a healthy environment for her (or anyone, honestly) and I hope she gets out of there as soon as the season's over.

I hope Kamila gets out of Sambo too. Her skate was absolutely heartbreaking and her coach's reactions were completely despicable. Nothing that happened in Beijing was her fault, and she deserves a shot at redemption with coaches that actually care about her and her well-being.

Congratulations to Anna too. Sadly, her win was overshadowed by everything else, but she was fantastic here and is more than deserving of the gold medal. You can never count her out, ever!

Congratulations to Kaori on her bronze as well as Wakaba, Young, Alysa, Yelim, and Nastya Gubanova who all had wonderful skates today too!
 
What I don't get is how can one not be sympathetic with Trusova. For goodness sake! The girl did 5 QUADS IN LADIES at the Olympics Final! One quad is already incredible, but FIVE?!! Pity about the 3A but that was designed for combo!! It is a monumental and historic achievement however she did it. It is still a sporting event at end of the day. no? Instead, now we are blaming her for daring to show she is upset rather than be celebrating on what she did.

How can one even equate this achievement purely in terms of rotation points differences under the already outdated COP system makes no sense, when the COP was never designed to reward ladies for quads in the first place? I think she had been rewarded the quads bonus in PCS that you often see given to the men's quadsful but half-empty programs, so I can understand her PCS boost in that respect.

COP should have room to allow people to pick a strategy to maximize their strength. One should be allowed to make these choices even when it may suffer in other areas. Just like when Carolina Kostner can choose to compete through PCS (when PCS made sense before the Russian hostage takeover since 2009-2010), you'd likely to see her picking slower but interesting pacing rhythmic music with likely lower technical content so she can focus on fully delivering the choreographic performances and going clean for extra PCS boost. Yuzu, Nathan, Plushenko's quadsful programs have all suffered when they choose to focus on jumps, so it is quite natural part of the sport. There shouldn't be a template formula for success if the judges reward things properly.

In any case, something is seriously screwed up with COP in practice, particularly the tendency for judges to prejudge and subconsciously earmark skaters for pre-ranking and benchmarking their scoring potential based on inflated scoring events put up by powerfeds. We have seen a number of great ladies given their career-best today going relatively clean but not nearly given an equal amount of inflation or clean bonus had they been skating for a power federation like Russia or the US. Yet skaters who had been pre-anointed as potential podium skaters can go splatt and still get their PCS cushion however they skate. There are many unfair aspects to this sport, but this has to be the most unfair of all. No matter what the ladies did on the day, going clean or going splatt, under the current judging system, they rarely make big differences in the scoring range other than 1 or 2 placement differences despite their performance saying otherwise on the day. And of course you have the judging selection and anonymity issue, but enough of that.
Yes, she landed 5 quads, but she stalked every one of them, and the landings weren't smooth and effortless. So much time was spent in setting up each of those jumps left no time for performance and/or expression, had she been interested in either. What she did do instead was stare intently down at the ice throughout the entire program. She might as well have been skating to white noise, as she didn't execute anything to the music. She got the highest TES scores for her quads, but her PCS scores were ridiculously inflated for such an empty program. Skating skills reference far more than just jumps; her spins are little more than average. Transitions? One leg lift and a hydroblade move, other than scratchy stroking in between jumps. Interpretation and choreographic intent? There wasn't any.

Men who perform multiple quads in a FS but stalk their jumps and have low performance quality don't win competitions. If Sasha is intent in outdoing the men, she needs to develop and hone performance skills, because at this point she doesn't have any.

What I did find incredible was her rant at Eteri because she didn't have a gold medal! She blamed Eteri for that. Interesting. Usually Eteri is the one doing the blaming.....

The best thing for Sasha would be to find another coach, and not one who emphasizes quads. Zoueva would be a good choice.
 
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i don't follow the girls from Sambo as much as some of you do... but are they friends? do they hang out? I cannot imagine how bittersweet it would be to win the gold and see my teammates and friends in tears...and in pain. Gosh... they need to get some perspective
 
Kamila is only 15. Next Olympics she will be only 19. She is a talented beautiful
skater with the whole package. My hope for her is that she can can hold her head
up high and come back better then ever. And in 4 years get her Olympic Gold.
She is but a child and is deserving of none of this.
 
Now, even if figure skating is kicked out of the Olympics, I can't object. I don't want to see Russians in this sport, especially Eteri. Seriously.
However, I would like to praise the performances of all non-Russian skaters.
One thing that has saved my sanity throughout this season is mentally separating Russian competitors from those in other federations. Have done this precisely because I believe training methods in Russia differ vastly from other federations. Skaters there are trained intensely as professionals in the sport from a very young age. No other federation is as single minded about their training methods. I have long seen Russian competitors as professional rather than amateur skaters. Of course it produces champions but as we have been discussing ad infinitum in these threads the playing field fails to be a level one.
So, my response to every competition this season is to separate Russian athletes from competitors in other federations and mentally award Gold, Silver, Bronze to skaters who placed highest who are not Russian. Today imo the true Olympic winners are Gold: Koari Sakamoto, Silver: Wakaba Higuchi, Bronze: Young You. Russians are acknowledged winners of their own professional level.
 
I hope all three medalists get away from Sambo for different reasons.

Anna is a lovely skater but she indeed looked dead inside afterwards. Needing to hear all the stuff Sasha was saying couldn't have helped but that was definitely not all that was going on. I hope she is able to go somewhere where she can (re?)discover the joy in skating.

I hope Sasha will not leave skating and instead leave Sambo for somewhere where they are more supportive in helping her develop the areas of her skating that are not quad jumps and jumping passes. I'm sorry and I may get hate for this but to me some of the other aspects of her skating are more on par with what I would expect from someone at the novice level than the senior level. Some of that is likely to come with age anyway but some of it needs real help and isn't just going to come. As some others have said, I think that she is the one most likely to be able to still be competitive in another 4 years so I hope she will use that time well. I personally wish she'd go back to Plushenko but it doesn't have to be him if she felt the fit wasn't right. But I think that he had the right idea about what she has to work on.

I might get a warning for saying this but I think Kamila wasn't just impacted by the press and media but by the knowledge that she most likely had been drugged. The level of denial that would be required to not even acknowledge that as a possibility is staggering, and to make it worse she has no power to confront her abusers or even to have it seem in any way that she might be questioning them- she has to act like she is indeed in that deep of denial. I hope she's able to go somewhere where she will feel safe and that she isn't forced into retirement against her will, and also that she won't choose to retire on this very low note when she's done nothing wrong.

I am very incredibly happy for Kaori. It couldn't have happened to a nicer person.
 
I watched the competition live in TV, national broadcaster ... so I didn't see the Drama that unfolded afterwards. And didn't want to see Valieva cry, so I did take a walk with my kids. When I opened the Eurosport App just now, I read about Trusova screaming at Eteri and I wanted to see that ... the Britisch Eurosport guys thought that Trusova was crying, because she was feeling sorry for Valieva ... I had to laugh. I know, it's not funny, but that naive interpretation cracked me up ... and I stopped watching shortly after that. I decided that don't want to see teenage girls reacting emotional and erratic after such a high pressure situation. Altough Eteri certainly deserves to be screamed at.

Anyway. It was a great competition. And we actually saw at Europeans, that Sherbakova, at her very best, could beat Valieva and, of course, Trusova as well. We'll never know what would have happened without the doping scandal. But Trusova and Sherbakova put immense pressure on Valieva. I think that both Sherbakova and Trusova were very hard to beat today in any case. This scandal certainly wasn't and isn't easy for Sherbakova and Trusova either, but they held it together.
And I think that it's interesting, that the male and the female Olympic Champion started with the same two jumping passes.
And I feel happy for Sakamoto! She was regal today!
 
Everyone agrees that Kamila was ruined by "some people." The two camps will never see eye to eye as to who "those people" specifically were. If the ladies' discipline was already polarized and divisive, this will only make it worse. I feel like the discipline as a whole is running full speed towards self destruction and what we saw today at the medal ceremony won't be the end of it.

It's frankly terrifying.
 
i don't follow the girls from Sambo as much as some of you do... but are they friends? do they hang out? I cannot imagine how bittersweet it would be to win the gold and see my teammates and friends in tears...and in pain. Gosh... they need to get some perspective
Yes it really does seem like they are friends.

Kamila once said that she would only karaoke with Anna because Anna made her feel comfortable.

I think Aliona picked Anna for something as well.

Kamila also seems to be really good friends with Maiia and the little things I see in social media suggest that it is a genuine friendship (things like her retrieving Maiia's water bottle for her after training, little details like that).

Anna and Sasha have an armlink/dance thing that they do.

I think the girls ran into each other on holidays once and there was a lot of pictures of them goofing around.

There seems to be genuine affection there but it must be so strange because they have to fight so hard against each other at the same time.
 
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