2015-2016 Programs by Discipline

[ice coverage]

Maybe C&B and their team have been watching a lot of Sasha Cohen videos? First Rach 2 and now Dark Eyes? ...

Well, Virtue/Moir skated to Dark Eyes years ago -- after joining Team Canton, IIRC. And the choreographer for the V/M program was Shpilband, IIRC, so he has his own history with the music.

 

[Snow63]

Chock & Bates SD will be Dark Eyes by Andre Rieu.
http://web.icenetwork.com/news/2015/08/24/144471628

(Personally I'm like 'noooooo....')

So they changed their SD already. I wonder what was their original choice, Evan said it was probably more predictable, maybe Masqurade Waltz?
Honestly, not a fan of music choices for both SD and FD.

 

[Spiral]

If they say that it's by Rieu, does it mean that it will be without lyrics?

 

[Ophelia]

I LOVE Rach No. 2; one of the greatest musical compositions ever, IMO. However, I don't think Chock&Bates are the best pair to interpret Rach No. 2 music. Their skating style is commercial and over-the-top. Rach No.2 is dramatic enough; it needs a pair with some subtlety to interpret it.

 

[Astrid56]

I LOVE Rach No. 2; one of the greatest musical compositions ever, IMO. However, I don't think Chock&Bates are the best pair to interpret Rach No. 2 music. Their skating style is commercial and over-the-top. Rach No.2 is dramatic enough; it needs a pair with some subtlety to interpret it.

Of the dance teams today, I'd say Chock/Bates are best suited to this composition. In their first FD to Chopin, they demonstrated subtlety, artistic flair and romanticism that's so mesmerizing. Considering they performed that program just a few months after they got together, their connection, fluidity and musicality were superb. See this 2012 performance _ https://youtu.be/2xoqqk2h0k0 .

 

[Meoima]

I will wait for the program in competition to see how C/B will do. But yeah, for now I can't image how their style would get into Rach 2.

 

[Astrid56]

When I first heard of the pairing, I was skeptical the pairing would work _ he gangly and too tall to her 5'2" seemingly elfish frame. I guess, I came from a dance background so height and personality matter. After seeing this performance, I was convinced they would be great together. They're very engaging and charismatic performers. I love, love the Russian Ice-dancer_ Elena but she tends to be melodramatic ... overemotional. Madison knows how to lose herself in her performance and her animation perfectly complements Evan's. Their season 2014-15 FD showed remarkable musicality to a difficult piece - and they 'danced' to it with ease and sophistication.

I know I belong to the minority on this opinion ... I watch ice-skating for entertainment .... I don't know how to critique skating _ technique-wise so I look at it from a dance perspective.

 

[NoNameFace]

I LOVE Rach No. 2; one of the greatest musical compositions ever, IMO. However, I don't think Chock&Bates are the best pair to interpret Rach No. 2 music. Their skating style is commercial and over-the-top. Rach No.2 is dramatic enough; it needs a pair with some subtlety to interpret it.

I agree...Yes, they try to be niche/innovative/original in their choices but my feeling is that this is not them at all.

But I have a problem with this duo in general so this is probably very subjective opinion - firstly, they are very mismatched pair for me: the height, the style, attitude are completely different. Madison has very 'commercial' style indeed - she tends to add burlesque/cabaret/jazz style/moves in every program she does, she strikes me as more energetic one whereas Evan is kind of epitome of classic and elegance.

We will see how it will work for them, but this Rachmaninoff No.2 is very tricky one, especially for pairs/duos in my opinion - you have to be very cautious and bold at the same time with interpretation and music cuts/tempo changes (if they will use both 'dramatic' and 'romantic' parts of the piece)

 

[cathlen]

Eliska Brezinowa
SP: El Tango de Roxanne
FP: Notre Dame de Paris
Source: https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=880368022052310&id=153149498107503

 

[Pika]

On Liza's Wikipedia page, it says that the SP is choreographed by the French Benoit Richaud. Any confirmation on that ? I thought the two programs were by Lambiel

EDIT: Benoit Richaud indicated on his FB account that he was at the Mishin Camp and choreographed the Lizas (Tuktamysheva and Nugumanova)

 

[Alba]

On Liza's Wikipedia page, it says that the SP is choreographed by the French Benoit Richaud. Any confirmation on that ? I thought the two programs were by Lambiel

EDIT: Benoit Richaud indicated on his FB account that he was at the Mishin Camp and choreographed the Lizas (Tuktamysheva and Nugumanova)

They must have changed. Not the first time that happens with papa Mishin.

 

[Alba]

Regarding C&B, according to Vaichekhovskaya they had problems with the FD and basically scrapped Najarro's choreo.

Regarding their SD:

"We had a different short dance, and we worked on it a while and it wasn't going well for us," Bates said. "We were putting a lot of effort into a program that was probably more predictable

I'm wondering what was the first choice, if they think Dark Eyes is less predictable?

 

[dorispulaski]

Brooklee Han AUS
SP soundtrack of the 2012 movie “Dans La Maison"
LP Vaughan Williams’ “The Lark Ascending"

 

[bramweld]

Regarding C&B, according to Vaichekhovskaya they had problems with the FD and basically scrapped Najarro's choreo.

Regarding their SD:


I'm wondering what was the first choice, if they think Dark Eyes is less predictable?

I was curious about that. Najarro is great but it didn't seem to me that Rach suited his personal tastes. Maybe they were doing a tango and they decided it didn't work.

Looking at Tob./Tkach.'s short dance, it must have been your typical waltz, foxtrot, polka to classical music. They had to change it or their programs wouldn't display any versatility.

 

[Alba]

I was curious about that. Najarro is great but it didn't seem to me that Rach suited his personal tastes. Maybe they were doing a tango and they decided it didn't work.

Yep, I don't know about the choice of music either. From what Igor said in that interview it seems they picked the music to fit the new choreo, which makes me think Rach. was not the first choice.

 

[cathlen]

I found videos of Romain Ponsart programs from Summer Cup:
Short program
Free program

SP seems to be Je suis malade by Serge Lama, but I don't know what his FP music is.

 

[Layback11]

So, we've still heard nothing from H/B, W/P, P/C, Elena Radionova, Yulia Lipnitskaya, Anna Pogorilaya, or Denis Ten. That's quite a few prominent skaters whose programs we still don't know! Anyone care to make a guess at one of them?

 

[dorispulaski]

I found videos of Romain Ponsart programs from Summer Cup:
Short program
Free program

SP seems to be Je suis malade by Serge Lama, but I don't know what his FP music is.

Soundhound says it is Tchaikovsky: Violin Concerto in D Major, Op. 35: Allegro moderato

Does anyone have a link to scores from this competition?

 

[Astrid56]

I was curious about that. Najarro is great but it didn't seem to me that Rach suited his personal tastes. Maybe they were doing a tango and they decided it didn't work.

Looking at Tob./Tkach.'s short dance, it must have been your typical waltz, foxtrot, polka to classical music. They had to change it or their programs wouldn't display any versatility.

Davis and White had similar problem with Derek's choreography in 2014. Originally, Derek choreographed their 2014 SD (in its entirely) but some parts did not fit so Marina had to redo to make it work. Their original 2012 FD was also changed and they ended skating to Johann Strauss 11 "Die Fledermaus". Najarro had,afterwards, not talked much about their FD, so it is possible there was a drastic change in the work to make it truly workable. Ice-dancing is very different from 'dance' and, understandably, changes are bound to happen in the work. It emulates dance movements and, sometimes, manages to depict semblance of the desired original movements - saw these with Latin Ice-dance performances. Charlie White noted in interviews how very different these two seemingly similar art-forms.

 

[silverfoxes]

So, we've still heard nothing from H/B, W/P, P/C, Elena Radionova, Yulia Lipnitskaya, Anna Pogorilaya, or Denis Ten. That's quite a few prominent skaters whose programs we still don't know! Anyone care to make a guess at one of them?

Also Michal Brezina, Misha Ge, Konstantin Menshov...I'm super curious about their choices.