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No, she did say it but I figure she just mistook him for someone else. Happens.
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No, she did say it but I figure she just mistook him for someone else. Happens.
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Moris is the one who really got robbed on PCS here. He should be several places higher in my opinion. :curse:
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J3 - 2 GOE - Ms. Kristina HOUWING - SWE-2 and -1 for Kovtun's clean 4T and even a +2 for Javier messy combo LOL
http://www.isuresults.com/results/season1617/ec2017/ec2017_Men_SP_Scores.pdf
J9 - 1 GOE - Ms. EBRU ANILDI - TUR
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She's delirious
I guess he kinda does look like Morozov if your eyes are really blurry and you're sleep deprived?
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Congrats to Javier on an amazing SP! And good for Maxim and Alexei for strong SPs as well, including a personal best from Maxim.
Wish I had some popcorn at my desk while perusing through the all the posts of haters losing their minds over Maxim. 
Wish I had some popcorn at my desk while perusing through the all the posts of haters losing their minds over Maxim.
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i would not mind if Javi leads thanks to his PCS or all +3 for his spins, but when you give him +2 for that very messy combo...
agree.
Oh, I missed him - gonna watch later. Now food and then women...
| 1 | Javier FERNANDEZ | ESP | 104.25 | 1 | video |
| 2 | Maxim KOVTUN | RUS | 94.53 | 2 | video |
| 3 | Alexei BYCHENKO | ISR | 86.68 | 3 | video |
| 4 | Mikhail KOLYADA | RUS | 83.96 | 4 | video |
| 5 | Jorik HENDRICKX | BEL | 82.50 | 5 | video |
| 6 | Deniss VASILJEVS | LAT | 79.87 | 6 | video |
| 7 | Alexander MAJOROV | SWE | 78.87 | 7 | video |
| 8 | Michal BREZINA | CZE | 78.61 | 8 | video |
| 9 | Alexander SAMARIN | RUS | 77.26 | 9 | video |
| 10 | Moris KVITELASHVILI | GEO | 76.85 | 10 | video |
| 11 | Chafik BESSEGHIER | FRA | 76.19 | 11 | video |
| 12 | Paul FENTZ | GER | 72.68 | 12 | video |
| 13 | Kevin AYMOZ | FRA | 71.26 | 13 | video |
| 14 | Ivan RIGHINI | ITA | 69.96 | 14 | video |
| 15 | Ivan PAVLOV | UKR | 68.94 | 15 | video |
| 16 | Graham NEWBERRY | GBR | 67.79 | 16 | video |
| 17 | Javier RAYA | ESP | 66.67 | 17 | video |
| 18 | Maurizio ZANDRON | ITA | 63.79 | 18 | video |
| 19 | Stephane WALKER | SUI | 62.86 | 19 | video |
| 20 | Jiri BELOHRADSKY | CZE | 60.99 | 20 | video |
| 21 | Slavik HAYRAPETYAN | ARM | 60.69 | 21 | video |
| 22 | Valtter VIRTANEN | FIN | 56.52 | 22 | video |
| 23 | Sondre ODDVOLL BOE | NOR | 55.24 | 23 | video |
| 24 | Daniel Albert NAURITS | EST | 55.14 | 24 | video |
| 25 | Igor REZNICHENKO | POL | 54.81 | 25 | video |
| 26 | Nicholas VRDOLJAK | CRO | 53.45 | 26 | video |
| 27 | Alexander BOROVOJ | HUN | 53.02 | 27 | video |
| 28 | Thomas KENNES | NED | 52.95 | 28 | video |
| 29 | Anton KARPUK | BLR | 52.26 | 29 | video |
| 30 | Mark GORODNITSKY | ISR | 51.72 | 30 | video |
| 31 | Larry LOUPOLOVER | AZE | 51.30 | 31 | video |
| 32 | Engin Ali ARTAN | TUR | 50.38 | 32 | video |
| 33 | Daniel SAMOHIN | ISR | 50.33 | 33 | video |
| 34 | Michael NEUMAN | SVK | 47.67 | 34 | video |
| 35 | Nicky OBREYKOV | BUL | 44.83 | 35 | video |
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Congrats to Javier on an amazing SP! And good for Maxim and Alexei for strong SPs as well, including a personal best from Maxim.
Wish I had some popcorn at my desk while perusing through the all the posts of haters losing their minds over Maxim.
People were actually pretty nice about it...so you won't have much opportunity to see those "hater posts."
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-2 and -1 for Kovtun's clean 4T and even a +2 for Javier messy combo LOL
http://www.isuresults.com/results/season1617/ec2017/ec2017_Men_SP_Scores.pdf
I wouldn't comment much on Javi, but I don't see the problem with negative deduction on Kovtun's Quad. Yes, it's huge, but is there any preceding steps into that solo jump? Not really.
Surprised he even got a positive GOE to be honest.
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I was about to say, I was pleasantly surprised to see people actually congratulating him (even if some were probably through gritted teeth, lol).
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Yeah, the +2 on Javi's combo was generous, but the lack of preceding steps is probably what some of the judges nailed Kovtun for. And many of Kovtun's other elements lack the quality. Still the 4-3 was a beauty and scored appropriately.
I'm surprised by some of his PCS... I mean, I know he's not the greatest skater out there, but some of the judges (particularly J3 and J4) were pretty tough on him -- I mean, 7.75 for PE for a clean skate with 2 quads?
Even Javi's combo has no steps before -> no negative GOEs (despite also the rough landing on the first part)
https://youtu.be/CuamQua_UIY?t=41
Kovtun's 4T
https://youtu.be/2PzRRojaFmk?t=67
And even accepting it, that's a 0, not a -1 or -2!!
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I wish I could agree with you on the PCS......but to be honest, I've never clicked with Kovtun. While I was in awe with his jumps today, I was left unsure what to think of his program. Primarily because it felt like he didn't know what he was skating to. But to be fair, the music was a complete dud. It sounded like Hugh Grant climaxing in his Killing Me Softly rendition in About a Boy.
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The requirement for steps is in the solo jump. There's nothing wrong in not having them before the combo.
okay fair enough, but that still doesn't explain the positive GOEs for the messy combo.
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Steps before a combo are not a requirement, they are for a solo jump. Now, of course, the judges don't always dock those points but that's another matter.
His PCS is more fun to look at for me, and those couple of 10s
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