Patrick Chan - Is He the Next Male Skater to Rank with the Greatest?
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I believe I read somewhere that Patrick has already successfully landed the quad toeloop in practice numerous times... can anyone confirm?
Without it, he is already such a talent but when he masters that jump WATCH OUT!
I think I read in an article that he is landing the quad about 10% of the time.
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It's always a thrill to see new talent on the horizon. We are spoiled here in Canada to have such a history of producing great male skaters. Patrick will have his work cut out for him. I look forward to seeing him at the Canadians.
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I think the use of his whole body is extraordinary and that he has as complete control over his upper body as any other man skating today. Dance on, Mr. Chan!
I wish I knew the answer to this one........................:frown2: The situation has improved over some past Canadian Nationals where the ladies competition was a splatt fest. You'd almost be surprised when a jump was landed vs. a fall. The winner was whoever made fewer mistakes.............at least now, the top flight at ladies is pretty good.
However, the top flight is still a second flight if competing in Japan or USA.
I don't know what to suggest to improve? Maybe more 'non nonsense' coaching and an emphasis on winning instead of................'just going out there to have fun':scratch::disapp::sheesh:
IMO, "success tends to breed success". For example, the US has always been strong (or at least successful) in the ladies event, and comparatively weak in pairs and dance, so good female skaters went into singles (think Kristi Y). Canada doesn't have the kind of success in ladies singles that is necessary to bring in more talented women to that discipline.
Why is it that there are no hugely successful singles skaters from Canada when there is is an ice rink in almost every city, town and village in Canada, 75% of the NHL is Canadian, and yet there really aren't a lot of hugely top level figure skaters from Canada, aside from ice dance and pairs currently. I would think that a country so rich in tradition with ice skating would be having extraordinary success in figure skating.
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every sport sees teams rise and fall for a time... and I wouldn't say there aren't any successful singles skaters... they may not have GOLD... but they're hitting the podium at the big events pretty consistently.
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Hockeyfan - Yes, it's Chan's whole body moving with blade to ice. He's special regardless of medals.
Toni - Agreed. Too much emphasis on Oly gold which just says that night only, but most fans demand the gold.
Joe
Toni - Agreed. Too much emphasis on Oly gold which just says that night only, but most fans demand the gold.
Joe
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and for those wondering, yes he can do a quad toe. I seen it on video a year ago. You have to be very smart these days about what goes in the program and the risk involved. Missing even one jump has a large affect on the score of the entire program, it's not just the -3 GOE and -1 Fall.
and for those wondering, yes he can do a quad toe. I seen it on video a year ago. You have to be very smart these days about what goes in the program and the risk involved. Missing even one jump has a large affect on the score of the entire program, it's not just the -3 GOE and -1 Fall.
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Not necessarily. Unless the skater allows 1 missed quad to affect the rest of the program. If a skater missed the 1 quad, but then went on to nail everything cleanly, there isn't really a whole lot of damage done. Remember the base value of a quad is greater than any triple jump. A missed quad is still equivalent to a clean 3loop with 5 points to a skater's total, that is if it is a fully rotated quad prior to the fall. The danger is the jump being downgraded to a 3toe due to under-rotation, but that scenario can come into play with any of the jumps, not just the quad. Popping and under-rotation are the biggest point losers for the skaters.
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You make a good point...............there has also been a large emphasis on hockey
rather than figure skating for both boys and girls. Maybe our coaches are not as good at singles?
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Yes there are alot of ice rinks in Canada, but ice time is really difficult to come by. The ice time there is is mostly taken up by hockey teams beacuse in most clubs it's the hockey clubs that have the power to dictate ice time, not the skating clubs. Few rinks have a skating club that has more members and better quality than the hockey clubs, meaning figure skaters get pushed to the side to make room for hockey. Unless it's a specifically figure skating rink, that's usually the way it goes.
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I saw Patrick live and in person at Skate America. In addition to being a really nice guy, I was impressed with his skating. Do I think he is the next skater to rank with the greatest....I don't know.
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Hmm, I really like his skating. I know that we should not compare too much - but he reminds me a bit of Lambiel, the deep soft landing on his jumps (though Chan's jumps are currently way better than M. Lambiel's), the spins fast and original, excellent upper body movement, fast across the ice... I hope we will see much more of him and I also hope that he will succeed with the quad and all of the other jumps.
He reminds me of Lambiel as well. Remember Stephane at the 2002 Euros finishing 4th? No quads and no 3axels, but he caught everybody's attention with that amazing Gotan project SP and the Cirque Du Solei LP. The excitement he generated was even greater than Joubert who actually medaled, because Stephane had such beautiful flow across the ice, great use of the blades and musicality (and amazing spins of course). Patrick was able to do the same 2 years ago when he didn't have the big jumps. He has such command and presence on the ice and that you just couldn't take your eyes off him! Now that is star quality!
Chan´s program is a copie of Lambiel´s Zebra.....
He is good, really good but i hope that he contract a coreograph because i imagine to him win next Olympic Games with "Tosca" and "Godfather" of plushy
Um, then you must have not seen his other programs. Why don't you check out his SP? Although I don't think this four season is even THAT similar to Lambiel's.
And what's VERY encouraging is that finally Patrick seems to be the first Canadian male skater in a long time with world champion- talent AND jump consistency. I had no idea I could say this last season, but now I can!
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It's nothing like it - it's BETTAH!!!!!!!
Patrick has the unique ability to execute chorepography and transitions with his whole body. His body awareness through music to me - I am a former dancer and now lecturer in dance and choreographer - is totally extraordinary. These are the programs that are capable under CoP. I have waited for YEARS to see this kind of choreo on a man. So complex, challenging and with total realisation of the music. I cannot think of another male skater who is capable of this kind of program.
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