2014 Trophée Eric Bompard Free Dance 11/22

[bramweld]

Could Paradis and Oulette really beat P/I to that third spot at Canadian nationals? Is their style of skating really that cautious? Could it be their interpretation of the music? Who could really help them to grow?:scratch:

 

[Mao88]

FREE DANCE - VIDEOS & RESULT - updated

1. Gabriella PAPADAKIS / Guillaume CIZERON (FRA) - 166.66 Free Dance, 2nd Copy
2. Piper GILLES / Paul POIRIER (CAN) - 157.58 Free Dance
3. Madison HUBBELL / Zachary DONOHUE (USA) - 152.11 Free Dance, 2nd Copy
4. Sara HURTADO / Adria DIAZ (ESP) - 146.10 Free Dance, 2nd Copy, 3rd Copy
5. Charlene GUIGNARD / Marco FABBRI (ITA) - 142.29 Free Dance
6. Alexandra PAUL / Mitchell ISLAM (CAN) - 138.99 Free Dance
7. Rebeka KIM / Kirill MINOV (KOR)115.95 Free Dance

Medal Ceremony

 

[Skater Boy]

I think it is wonderful to be multi talented and part of the complete process but I also do think there is a reason there are costume designers, trainers, choreographers, technical specialists, dance specialists,cotors etc. We see so many in the entertainment field try their hand in other areas and in some way it is an insult to those who often trained for years to say they are a dancer, singer or designer. Contributer yes, of course there is a rare talent but that logically and mathetmatically or statistically be rare. I really am not into Chock and Bates but the judges love them. And I really find C and P exciting but not of the outstanding quality and it quality of past greats. I guess ice dance right now is wide open with some hope but no one really blowing everyone or the ice dance world away.

 

[thoakun]

And that ice dance should have always been. But what do you expect after 6 boring years of Zueva who knows nothing of what real choreography is.
With that kind of program, the ones K&Camerlengo are doing to, I do have high hopes MY discipline gets back on track very quickly. Because I felt cheated of it since the retirement of the 2002 generation.

I have a question as an ice dance noob: What is really choreography and what do those involved in ID need to do to get the discipline back on track?

 

[elif]

I have a question as an ice dance noob: What is really choreography and what do those involved in ID need to do to get the discipline back on track?

For me ''actually skating with music'' not doing technical elements while music plays differently on backround. I sometimes feel single skaters using music better than ice dancers.

Also ice dancing lifts beginning to look like single skating jumps. Tell me what is difference between that lift from 2A? Capellini/Lanotte uses like it is a requirement both in SD and FD.

Finnstep (SD)
http://youtu.be/8l1xuEUwCy4?t=2m52s
Paso Doble (SD)
http://youtu.be/xLoxdTmegQA?t=3m17s
Dance Macabre (FD)
http://youtu.be/fvtM_47xxi8?t=3m55s
Italian Opera (FD)
http://youtu.be/QPMEVoMBU0k?t=2m48s

In ice dancing step sequences, spins are same every year. (Single skating we can see more creativity on those elements) At least change lifts, you are not skating same theme every year.

 

[MarieM]

I have a question as an ice dance noob: What is really choreography and what do those involved in ID need to do to get the discipline back on track?

A choreographer is someone who is open minded and not one dimensionnal. Someone who will go to different things and get inspiration from it. Brodway, Ballet, a concert, a painting exhibition, a movie anything.
And a choreographer must think in terms of a "whole" and not add elements just to rack up points.
The program can give you a story that anyone can get, or just do something that will grab you just because it's that effective.

The last 6 years, I can only count maye 6 programs that were not just counting up points. All the others were craptacular choreographed crap.

 

[KKonas]

Funny, it's not hers. Like Carmen.

Yes, it was. She created the concept and basic choreo. She had help with hand movements and other typical Indian movements. Almost all ice dance choreographers use outside special floor dance choreographers.

 

[Snow63]

A choreographer is someone who is open minded and not one dimensionnal. Someone who will go to different things and get inspiration from it. Brodway, Ballet, a concert, a painting exhibition, a movie anything.
And a choreographer must think in terms of a "whole" and not add elements just to rack up points.
The program can give you a story that anyone can get, or just do something that will grab you just because it's that effective.

The last 6 years, I can only count maye 6 programs that were not just counting up points. All the others were craptacular choreographed crap.

Share with us, please I agree with your point completely.

 

[MarieM]

The programs I liked ?
W&P last year's FD is the first that comes to mind. Absolutly stunning and complex FD.
The last two FDs the Kerrs did.
DelSchoen's Great Gig in the Sky.
Faiella and Scali's 2010 FD.
And I can't find any more.

I could have added V&M's carmen if only they had done it properly all year long.

 

[Mathman]

I have a question as an ice dance noob: What is really choreography and what do those involved in ID need to do to get the discipline back on track?

Ice dance fans that look back to pre-2002 enjoy drama, theatrics, lavish costumes, story-telling -- that sort of thing. People who like the new direction applaud the idea of getting back to the ballroom. Different strokes for different folks.

 

[MarieM]

Ah but I Can remember ballroom on ice, and it was effectively very boring to audiences and didn't bring in audiences.
And COP put the points in front of everything.

When you have skaters like V&M who never pushed themselves, that's a sign something isn't right AT ALL. And I mean, they could have done so much for the new era of ice dance. Instead, they'll be "what if" forever IMO.

And I didn't particularly like all the angst. IT was way too theatric. As proven by Gabi and Guillaume. Less is more.

 

[Debs122]

Ah but I Can remember ballroom on ice, and it was effectively very boring to audiences and didn't bring in audiences.
And COP put the points in front of everything.

When you have skaters like V&M who never pushed themselves, that's a sign something isn't right AT ALL. And I mean, they could have done so much for the new era of ice dance. Instead, they'll be "what if" forever IMO.

And I didn't particularly like all the angst. IT was way too theatric. As proven by Gabi and Guillaume. Less is more.

How did V/M not push themselves? Carmen anyone? Or what about their Latin number? Even Funny Face, though I know a lot of people didn't appreciate it. It's funny, but if V/M were skating the exact same program P/C are this season, I'm sure the only thing people would be saying is how boring it is.

 

[peg]

It's funny, but if V/M were skating the exact same program P/C are this season, I'm sure the only thing people would be saying is how boring it is.

That's because they made everything look too easy

 

[Mathman]

Ah but I Can remember ballroom on ice, and it was effectively very boring to audiences and didn't bring in audiences.
And COP put the points in front of everything.

When you have skaters like V&M who never pushed themselves, that's a sign something isn't right AT ALL. And I mean, they could have done so much for the new era of ice dance. Instead, they'll be "what if" forever IMO.

And I didn't particularly like all the angst. IT was way too theatric. As proven by Gabi and Guillaume. Less is more.

Did you like Davis and White's Giselle short dance last year? I know nothing about dance, ballet, ballroom or otherwise, but to me that was just utterly charming. Especially the polka. (Throw in a lively Schottish for an encore, and now yer talkin'!)

I like the Shibutanis just fine. To me, their dances depict … two young kids dancing! (And maybe acting like monsters in their Michael Jackson routine last year.)

I think we, as audience members, only set ourselves up for disappointment if we go in expecting the Bolshoi -- or even the capiest of all capy performances by a lady in the paso doble.

 

[Ice Diva]

Ah but I Can remember ballroom on ice, and it was effectively very boring to audiences and didn't bring in audiences.
And COP put the points in front of everything.

When you have skaters like V&M who never pushed themselves, that's a sign something isn't right AT ALL. And I mean, they could have done so much for the new era of ice dance. Instead, they'll be "what if" forever IMO.

And I didn't particularly like all the angst. IT was way too theatric. As proven by Gabi and Guillaume. Less is more.

V&M pushed themselves more than any other team in recent years with programs containing new and extremely difficult choreography -- yes, Carmen, Pink Floyd, Latin, Funny Face, etc. -- unlike some top teams, they did not recycle the same old same material to different music or play it safe. And their chemistry / connection was amazing.

 

[elif]

unlike some top teams, they did not recycle the same old same material to different music or play it safe.

cough The Seasons cough:disapp:

 

[GF2445]

cough The Seasons cough:disapp:

Tessa and Scott's The seasons was an original. It was crappy rehash.
Glazunov and Scriabin sound nothing like Mahler.

To say they didnot ush themselves when they competed is saying that they made no contribution to ice dance whatsoever and is to ignore hoe Tessa managed to get from being injured to skating in pain and winning gold.

 

[MarieM]

V&M pushed themselves more than any other team in recent years with programs containing new and extremely difficult choreography -- yes, Carmen, Pink Floyd, Latin, Funny Face, etc. -- unlike some top teams, they did not recycle the same old same material to different music or play it safe. And their chemistry / connection was amazing.

Technically ? Yes and no. No because they could have pushed like they did in 2010 but never quite got there, and I can understand it was due to Tessa's injury. But still. They could have. What if ...

Artistically ? Let me have a drink without LOLing through it.
They did the same crap but for CARMEN, and that's thanks to them going to a REAL choreographer and not someone who pretends to be the greatest ever. It's sad they didn't do it sooner, because at least, with Carmen, I never got the impression they were going from one element to the other. At least, Carmen had an artisitic point, it was dance on ice and not ice dance, if you can get my meaning. The same could be said about their SD last season because that was, IMO, the perfect match between technical elements and choreography.
True they got some really nice lifts, but nothing that really stands out if you want to compare it to let's say for example what Klimova did, Usova, or Anissina. Nothing new there.

I mean, they never moved me beyond "oh that's a cool FD". I never got on my foot for them, and I did for D&W sometimes because Meryl could sell out any crap from Zueva a lot better than Tessa.

 

[viennaskater]

Originally Posted by MarieM

Ah but I Can remember ballroom on ice, and it was effectively very boring to audiences and didn't bring in audiences.
And COP put the points in front of everything.

When you have skaters like V&M who never pushed themselves, that's a sign something isn't right AT ALL. And I mean, they could have done so much for the new era of ice dance. Instead, they'll be "what if" forever IMO.

And I didn't particularly like all the angst. IT was way too theatric. As proven by Gabi and Guillaume. Less is more

Why are you lying down and laughing at this? It's not that funny.

 

[MarieM]

I am not going to kill myself for that, I prefer to laugh it. It's better right?