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2015-2016 Programs by Discipline

mimtang said:
:love:Oh, Maria.... she's so beautiful as always.. I like her style, dress, music. :o:
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I wish the music editing had thrown "at last" in the last seconds during Biellmann. Felt kind of anticlimactic. Other than that, great music choice and such good skating, especially the spins. :love:
 
yyyskate said:
Yes I always highly value quality skating and total package skater, but my comments about Boyang above has nothing contradict my appreciation or standard regarding that. Please read my comments again.

I guess Boyang is about 17 years old?

Don't know how attitude really affects different skaters or different jumping pass. Han seems a bit winded in his SP performance whereas Boyang seems did really well.

BTW, men's FS just finished.
1 闫涵 YAN Han 276.11 181.86=96.86+86.00 3A3T, 4T, 3Lz, /3A, 3Lo, 3Lz2T2T, 3S, 3F clean
2 金博洋JIN Boyang 270.69 172.85=95.65+7.20-1 4Lz so, 4S, 3A/ 4T2T, 4T, 3Lz3T, 3F+SEQ, 3Lo Fell on Spin
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EDIT: okay, people seems more excited by Boyang's 4 quads, I will highlight it here.

EDIT: Since Liza is mentioned, I will just go ahead and say it, Liza has no transition into her 3A, but because she has 3A， only a few ladies has ever done it in history, so she was crowned the current Queen of the hill. She like Boyang has some weakness in other aspects of figure skating. But people still highly respect Liza and her current "Queen" status, mostly due to the impact of her 3A.
Boyang has 4Z-3T， No human being has ever done it in competition as good as he does, He has no transition into 4Z-3T like Liza and perhaps less charisma etc. than Liza as well. But he is nowhere near podium up today yet. and far away from the equivalent of Liza's status. And his fans/supporters did not complain at all in any place. we just stated the facts about Boyang's skating and was thrilled by his improvement, think that his achievement deserves some respect at least from me. Gladly, most people here has commented that Boyang has improved quite a bit in other aspects of figure skating as well, besides that 4LZ-3T.

BTW, Yuzuru will certainly take notes, he has being take notes of his competitors (from junior to senior) for a very long time already. Boyang has being on his notebook for quite some time already. LOL
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Holy moley.... Boyang is insane. That short program is just..... :shocked: And it's nice to see his musicality has improved. His spins unfortunately need a lot of work but who cares when you've got two jumping passes, one a 4Z!
 
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Meoima said:
:biggrin: This come from people who always say they value beautiful skating? :confused:

By this logic, you're saying if Liza somehow managed to jump 4T, she doesn't need any transition in her programs at all.
And somehow a certain amount of people will always say Liza is terrible as a skater, that she has nothing in between her jumps. And that she has no grace. :cry:

Oh Liza at least she is very watchable to my standard.:popcorn:
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I read yyyskate saying that a lack of transition for the 4Lz+3T combo, not the whole program, is OK in her/his book for executing that combo in and of itself is a marvelous superhuman achievement. I have to agree with that for now.
 
happy 4 Boyang ! As Tamara said in her recent interview once u have the technique you're free to concentrate on choreo & interpretation. He's young & he will get there.

& yay more Abel music & James Bond!

Meoima said:
Liza is a World Champion, Euro champion and GPF champion (and GPs winner too). Liza won almost all of her titles last season without a 3A (and she won GPs at age 14 without 3A too). Her success is not due to one jump alone.
You are wrong, people respect Liza not "mostly" because of "the impact of her 3A". They respect her because of what she has achieved in this sport for a number of years And her will power to overcome the hardships, her consistency.
Liza's technique is also impeccable, arguably the best of any woman in skating history. No edge call whatsoever, no UR issue. Not only are all her jumps of the very highest quality but she has ok skating basics including good stroking and soft knee bend thus give her flow out of her jumps. She is not the best when it comes to SS, surely, but better than average ladies.
The only people who take this "Queen" business seriously are fans of certain other skaters.
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:thumbsup:
its already started so be prepared to read all skating year long how real queens deserve better marks than our Liz like 'best program ever' Gracie, queen Mao & who knows even Polina ;) :popcorn:
 
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Meoima said:
You are wrong, people respect Liza not "mostly" because of "the impact of her 3A". They respect her because of what she has achieved in this sport for a number of years And her will power to overcome the hardships, her consistency.
Liza's technique is also impeccable, arguably the best of any woman in skating history. No edge call whatsoever, no UR issue. Not only are all her jumps of the very highest quality but she has ok skating basics including good stroking and soft knee bend thus give her flow out of her jumps. She is not the best when it comes to SS, surely, but better than average ladies.
The only people who take this "Queen" business seriously are fans of certain other skaters.
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Totally agree with you
Liza is way more than a 3A
 
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Their short dance is a blend of Ravensburger Waltz and Russian Gypsy dance. I think, they have successfully incorporated the passion and the spirit of the music in this performance. I like their dance ... their movements and the expression suit the music and the history of the piece - a "Gypsy" song.
 
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i find that the problem with dark eyes is how it goes faster and faster.. unlike what most waltzes do. i come from a different world than the skating world.. .music is more my thing... so i cannot really understand this choice for a waltz.... glad you enjoy it more than i can


PS i also feel waltz as much lighter from having been in Vienna... of course, there are other styles

I'd prefer Dark Eyes (which is a piece i like a lot) for FD... it could build up and be so exciting... not for a SD with mandatory patterns...

major turn off for me
 
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4everchan said:
i find that the problem with dark eyes is how it goes faster and faster.. unlike what most waltzes do. i come from a different world than the skating world.. .music is more my thing... so i cannot really understand this choice for a waltz.... glad you enjoy it more than i can


PS i also feel waltz as much lighter from having been in Vienna... of course, there are other styles

I'd prefer Dark Eyes (which is a piece i like a lot) for FD... it could build up and be so exciting... not for a SD with mandatory patterns...

major turn off for me
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Music is not my thing but I was required to study it because of my field which is theatre and dance. I see a performance from that perspective. I like the tempo of this music, its rhythm or pattern making the dance exciting, edgy ... innovative. If it's just the traditional Ravensburger Waltz [following the character of the Viennese Waltz], it will be kind of boring ... and I think this is the reason why a lot of ice dancers in this season have used interesting musical pieces to make their presentation more entertaining.
 
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we are just polar opposites then ;) i actually think waltz is extremely difficult to do... not only on ice but on foot... and that's why skaters are going away from tradition... they are hiding :) but in the end... may the best team win :)
Astrid56 said:
Music is not my thing but I was required to study it because of my field which is theatre and dance. I see a performance from that perspective. I like the tempo of this music, its rhythm or pattern making the dance exciting, edgy ... innovative. If it's just the traditional Ravensburger Waltz [following the character of the Viennese Waltz], it will be kind of boring ... and I think this is the reason why a lot of ice dancers in this season have used interesting musical pieces to make their presentation more entertaining.
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4everchan said:
we are just polar opposites then ;) i actually think waltz is extremely difficult to do... not only on ice but on foot... and that's why skaters are going away from tradition... they are hiding :) but in the end... may the best team win :)
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You are right Waltz being extremely difficult to do. It looks simple but in reality it is technically difficult. The Ravensburger Waltz as done in Ice-dancing closely resemble the Viennese Waltz with its characteristic quick rotational movement and lilting feel. It's hard for them to really do the rise and fall action so they try to innovate _ note Madison's quick fall gliding movement on the ice - very interesting. Well, I think they actually DO the rise and fall motion as they do they do this waltz step sequence - at least it looks that way to me.
 
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4everchan said:
we are just polar opposites then ;) i actually think waltz is extremely difficult to do... not only on ice but on foot... and that's why skaters are going away from tradition... they are hiding :) but in the end... may the best team win :)
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It is very difficult, it always was but that's not why the skaters have chosen different kind of styles. The pattern is a pattern and they have to execute it no matter what.
My informations, since July, are that the ISU wanted different approaches. Possibly a lot of "modern".
 
how is dark eyes modern? it's been around for ages ;)

Alba said:
It is very difficult, it always was but that's not why the skaters have chosen different kind of styles. The pattern is a pattern and they have to execute it no matter what.
My informations, since July, are that the ISU wanted different approaches. Possibly a lot of "modern".
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Alba said:
My informations, since July, are that the ISU wanted different approaches. Possibly a lot of "modern".
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They definitely succeded then :) Not sure how I feel about this approach though.
On one hand, it would probably be boring to see 40 classic waltzes in a row. But on the other hand, there's almost none waltzes which looks like waltzes, and not like waltz patterns skated in exhibition programms. Anyway, it's just matter of taste probably, I just love a waltz as a dance too much :shrug: With other patterns I would probably be singing a different tune :laugh:
 
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Alba said:
It is very difficult, it always was but that's not why the skaters have chosen different kind of styles. The pattern is a pattern and they have to execute it no matter what.
My informations, since July, are that the ISU wanted different approaches. Possibly a lot of "modern".
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I think what confuses people is that when they see "must be danced in the character of the Viennese Waltz" they think it means the skaters have to look like they're in a ballroom in Vienna. "Character" has nothing to do with the choice of music or costume. It just means that the skaters' movement has to resemble that of the Viennese Waltz (faster) instead of the Traditional Waltz (slower).
 
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