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YouTube has already some of them, or you can wait until Mao88 collects all videos from the Men's FS.
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OK People.............Where is this rink located? Sochi is obviously at Sea Level but, Ross and Adelina looked so tired at the end of their programs it makes me think they must be in the mountains like Colorado Springs. BTW, I still can't find a clip of Adam's FP. Can someone please post it.
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They have 3 people - a technical specialist, a controller, an assistant whatever who are judging levels. They call them during the performance and check them the minutes after while skaters take their bows, hug their coaches and agonize in the K & C. Theses 3 judges are experts so they make, discuss and finalize the call. Sure, in track and field there can be a "photo finish". It's checked within a minute or so of the finish and that's the winner. The coach of the loser doesn't come back and argue otherwise. I presume someone from Miner's team had to make that appeal because I doubt the judges routinely review all performances after the event is complete. I know this is a subjective sport but this is the stuff that turns me off. "Embarrassed" is a strong word and it implies that Ross did something wrong. I apologize for that. But I just don't like to see this kind of waffling in a sport that already has a reputation for shenanigans.
Again, this is within the rules. And certainly the technical panel could have said no. So again, I don't know why Ross or his team should feel ashamed for making the call (if that's indeed what happened; for all we know, the technical panel could have went over something and realized they made a mistake--or they push the wrong button -- this stuff happens ).
And again, skating is not the only sport where this happens. Tennis is another example. Granted the challenges don't necessarily have an impact on the game, but they are allowed to make a challenge on empire calls.
OK People.............Where is this rink located? Sochi is obviously at Sea Level but, Ross and Adelina looked so tired at the end of their programs it makes me think they must be in the mountains like Colorado Springs. BTW, I still can't find a clip of Adam's FP. Can someone please post it.
Nah, its like 500 ft about sea level. 837 feet is the highest point of the city.
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This is 100% Correct and it happens more often than people realize. It has happened several times over the years at the competitions I've judged. The difference in my case, is that our scores are not revealed to the public before the are reviewed by the coaches. 15 minutes before the awards ceremony happens, there is a judges review period. During this time the score sheets are handed out and coaches have 10 minutes to dispute any mistakes that may have been made.
Believe me. In the 80's before things became digital, there were always mistakes. It's better to get things right and if someone ends up losing a placement due to an error, it's sad but it's better to get it right.
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It may be within the rules. But why? There are 3 experts who have several minutes after a skater is done to assess their calls and make a change. In tennis, an over rule of a call must be immediate and is done within 30 seconds of the situation. Final call made and done. I never used the word ashamed in relation to Ross. In World Cup Soccer, would judges review a goal AFTER the game is over and later say - oh, maybe that wasn't a goal? No; analysis is made during the event and sometimes there are debatable calls but that's the sport. In my opinion only mechanical failures of a computer system should be the reason for a change after the event is over. I think we can agree to disagree on this one.
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Really?? Then I have no idea why Ross and Adelina looked so tired.
Maybe they need to do more run thru's in practice.
Whenever I see someone huffing I say one thing every time........ "Treadmill"
Because judges are human and they can make mistakes. That's why.
FWIW, given how fast the results were changed, they likely made the call while Pitkeev was still skating. They likely made the call right after he received his scores, if again that was the case.
And again, the scores were NOT official.
But yeah, agree to disagree and all the jazz. My take is that you can point tons of examples of judging shenanigans and I don't feel this is one of them.
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Really?? Then I have no idea why Ross and Adelina looked so tired.
My guess about Adelina is that she is not back to her full form yet.
As she said herself in an interview, she is still getting back into competition routine.
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My guess is that Raf is with Ashley getting her ready for NHK -- working hard so that she can qualify for the GPF.
(I did post this comment elsewhere, but am repeating b/c you asked.)
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Regards the Ross/Rippon switcheroo:
Though not common, this does happen from time to time. The process goes thus: after the last skater's review is finished and scores input, the protocols are printed off, then handed to the technical controller for double-checking. The controller then checks for errors, and if there is one, it can be corrected. Since the switcheroo happened so quickly, it is my guess that this is where an error was picked up, that somehow Ross' last spin was entered as a three instead of a four, and missed on the first go-through. The controller has found this while checking the protocols, and it has been corrected, with the net result that Ross has earned a bronze medal.
An alternative view - based on the loose timeframe and the suggestion that someone made that it changed during Adian's skate - is that it was simply an accident that the elements were authorized with the error in there, but before the panel could correct it, the judges had all input their scores and the screen flipped over, in which case the controller would have communicated with the accountant that they needed to change an error on Ross' protocol and exactly what needed to be changed.
Though not common, this does happen from time to time. The process goes thus: after the last skater's review is finished and scores input, the protocols are printed off, then handed to the technical controller for double-checking. The controller then checks for errors, and if there is one, it can be corrected. Since the switcheroo happened so quickly, it is my guess that this is where an error was picked up, that somehow Ross' last spin was entered as a three instead of a four, and missed on the first go-through. The controller has found this while checking the protocols, and it has been corrected, with the net result that Ross has earned a bronze medal.
An alternative view - based on the loose timeframe and the suggestion that someone made that it changed during Adian's skate - is that it was simply an accident that the elements were authorized with the error in there, but before the panel could correct it, the judges had all input their scores and the screen flipped over, in which case the controller would have communicated with the accountant that they needed to change an error on Ross' protocol and exactly what needed to be changed.
That makes sense, and I'm hoping that this is what happened. Do you know the procedure is as far as disputing a level?
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I believe the coach or the person from the team must approach the referee, but I'm not very clear on this, sorry. That said, the turnaround was simply too quick - and Ross' team would not have known that he had got a level 3 for the last spin instead of a 4 until the protocols came out, but no protocols came out with that error on them, did they?
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But you did use the word "embarrassed" in relation to Ross ... which is just as bad as the word "ashamed," IMO.
Agree 100% with Mrs. P that Ross has no reason to be embarrassed or ashamed.
slider, to elaborate on the example of Virtue/Moir:
The ISU does have a rule that an error must be caught within a certain time limit (very short time limit -- a matter of minutes).
The Virtue/Moir error was not caught until the time limit had passed.
The ISU did issue a statement saying that the error had occurred.
BUT because the time limit had passed, what remains as the official result is the original V/M score -- which the ISU statement acknowledged to be in error.
If you look at the results page for that comp, the original erroneous score stands -- without any asterisk or notation that an error was discovered after the time limit.
As Mrs. P said, if the score had been correct, V/M would have won the FD.
The Virtue/Moir error was not caught until the time limit had passed.
The ISU did issue a statement saying that the error had occurred.
BUT because the time limit had passed, what remains as the official result is the original V/M score -- which the ISU statement acknowledged to be in error.
If you look at the results page for that comp, the original erroneous score stands -- without any asterisk or notation that an error was discovered after the time limit.
As Mrs. P said, if the score had been correct, V/M would have won the FD.
I would think the opposite. Wouldn't Rippon be "embarrassed" to stand on the podium only because of a computer/technical error and not because his programs actually put him there?
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That's a bit harsh.
10's are a "perfect" score in the same way many skaters who got 6.0 were awarded that because they were overwhelmingly the best skater in a particular competition. Doesn't mean they were "perfect" even if a 10.00 seems to suggest that. Tons of skaters have received 10's when they skated almost as well as they can and happen to be the favourite (reigning world champ in this case).
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