2021 Warsaw Cup: Women's Free Skate

[Alegria]

No you are not alone! Nichole was awesome!
In my opinion Lindsay should be 1st place with 2 clean skate! Nicole 2nd and Kurakova 3rd!
Petrokina 4th and Kromyh 5th!

Lindsay wasn't clean.

 

[TT_Fin]

I had to check because none of you has written nothing about Shabtova's 3A, but yes, it was clean.

 

[TT_Fin]

Updated news: Emmi's shoe had broken during her skate and that's the she had problems with her Fssp.

 

[lurkerghost1]

The real joke in scoring is that Maiia's TES went down only 3 points despite MANY q, <, and << jumps but somehow Wakaba's went down 6 points? Yes people will say different events different panels, and I will say different flags

 

[rollerblade]

Let's look at it this way....

	Real time TES	Reviewed TES
4Tq	6.85 (9.50 - 2.65 GOE)	5.51 (9.50 - 3.99 GOE)
4T<<+REP	1.90 (6.65 - 4.75 GOE)	0.84 (2.94 - 2.10 GOE)
3Lo<	2.45 (4.90 - 2.45 GOE)	1.96 (3.92 - 1.96 GOE)
	11.20	8.31

Both the UR jumps were falls. Those are already at the maximum GOE penalty, and thus "additional GOE reduction due to UR" do not apply.

That downgraded jump also helps the appearance of losing less TES, because the factored GOE is based off the value of 3T instead of 4T.

 

[readernick]

The real joke in scoring is that Maiia's TES went down only 3 points despite MANY q, <, and << jumps but somehow Wakaba's went down 6 points? Yes people will say different events different panels, and I will say different flags

I would say Lindsay was scored even harsher here than Wakaba was at her competition. She honestly had the two best skates of this competition and the judges managed to put her in 5th. It's almost funny. Very creative judging!

 

[lurkerghost1]

Let's look at it this way....

	Real time TES	Reviewed TES
4Tq	6.85 (9.50 - 2.65 GOE)	5.51 (9.50 - 3.99 GOE)
4T<<+REP	1.90 (6.65 - 4.75 GOE)	0.84 (2.94 - 2.10 GOE)
3Lo<	2.45 (4.90 - 2.45 GOE)	1.96 (3.92 - 1.96 GOE)
	11.20	8.31

Both the UR jumps were falls. Those are already at the maximum GOE penalty, and thus "additional GOE reduction due to UR" do not apply.

That downgraded jump also helps the appearance of losing less TES, because the factored GOE is based off the value of 3T instead of 4T.

several of her jump landings in the 2nd half were not clean and yet she got away with rotations on all of them. And it seems this 4Tq was less rotated by far than Wakaba's landed 3Aq, which would have resulted in further BV decrease. Between this and Kostornaia's 3A being called q but not her 3Lz which actually was (because 3A was a fall and 3Lz was landed) seems these calls are put where they hurt Alena and Maiia the least but were put on Wakaba's highest value passes which were not less rotated. The same situation as Mao's free skate 2014.

Long way of saying my point which is: might as well not bother calling fallen jumps underrotated because as the system works right now, you get a bigger GOE reduction for a landed q jump than a fallen UR jump.

 

[Sackie]

After seeing Gabby Daleman skate here and do 2 OK performances is it possible that she may make it back to the Olympics. I know she won't be CAN #1 but doesn't CAN get to send 2 women to the Olympics for the team event?

 

[lurkerghost1]

After seeing Gabby Daleman skate here and do 2 OK performances is it possible that she may make it back to the Olympics. I know she won't be CAN #1 but doesn't CAN get to send 2 women to the Olympics for the team event?

no you don't get extra for the team event unless you qualified 2+ spots in the discipline outright.

 

[alexocfp]

Jenni’s first 30 seconds were great. Then it was free skate, meet cliff.