Women's Artistic Gymnastics

MissBeeFarm

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oh wow that is horrible...i hope things change for the better now that Qiao Liang is back in China. i'm kind of getting the impression this kind of coaching is more normalized there than in places like the US? especially with the things about NiNi and her mother circulating around...is it taken seriously in China? can abusers be punished?

i have watched a couple episodes of All Around, i'll have to go back and watch again...if her coach is abusing her on camera, can something be done? or was done already? thats crazy he would have the audacity to do that on camera.

I sadly have no idea how stuff like that is perceived in China.

That being said, showing abuse on camera and no one caring is sadly not unique to China. There's a Margarita Mamun (RG) documentary showing her way to Olympic Gold in 2016 and it's basically one hour of abuse by various Russian coaches for the whole world to see. Here it is, if you're interested: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tgj5sUH3ULM

Also, what Bela and Marta Karolyi did in Romania and the US was known and well-documented for years; and no one cared in the US either, because medals were more important. Those who talked about the abuse were shunned and ridiculed (e.g. Moceanu). Only when it became public that a pedo was abusing gymnasts right under their noses, made possible by their training methods that were destroying gymnasts mentally and physically one bit at a time, it finally crossed a red line, and suddenly the public cared and there were consequences.
 

icybear

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oh wow that is horrible...i hope things change for the better now that Qiao Liang is back in China. i'm kind of getting the impression this kind of coaching is more normalized there than in places like the US? especially with the things about NiNi and her mother circulating around...is it taken seriously in China? can abusers be punished?
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LOL can USA please stop pretending they have the high ground and preach about abuse happening in China or Russia. You know with the sexual abuse happening in US gymnastics. The only difference is that the USA has been doing a great job keeping it from being leaked out until recently. And by the way, Nini mother got a ton of backlash from the public in China
 

TontoK

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LOL can USA please stop pretending they have the high ground and preach about abuse happening in China or Russia. You know with the sexual abuse happening in US gymnastics. The only difference is that the USA has been doing a great job keeping it from being leaked out until recently. And by the way, Nini mother got a ton of backlash from the public in China

I'm an American, and I can assure you I'm not pretending to have any sort of moral high ground because of my nationality. So you can leave that out of the discussion.

I am revolted by abuse of children, no matter who they are, no matter where they are, no matter whether they are elite athletes or non-public children.

My views on what should happen to adults who abuse children are so medieval that they are inappropriate for a family-friendly forum. That includes those who knew abuse was happening and did nothing to stop it. "Prison time" doesn't even BEGIN to cover it.
 

macy

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LOL can USA please stop pretending they have the high ground and preach about abuse happening in China or Russia. You know with the sexual abuse happening in US gymnastics. The only difference is that the USA has been doing a great job keeping it from being leaked out until recently. And by the way, Nini mother got a ton of backlash from the public in China

no one here is "preaching" about anything. i am well aware of the horrible things that have happened in US gymnastics (i work for the same university where Larry Nassar was employed, am local to where he lived and personally know some victims), British gymnastics, etc. i am asking about outside of sports and outside the culture of gymnastics in China. i hope Nini's mother did get a lot of backlash and that she continues to if her methods don't change because she deserves it.
 

macy

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did you guys see this craziness?! scroll to the last slide. she is such a beast! we will never see anyone else like her in our lifetimes. does this already have a difficulty value?

 

macy

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sorry for the double post, but there is a new docuseries on youtube called Defying Gravity that explores the "untold" stories of elite gymnastics. i am only halfway through the first episode, but they have focused on Nadia Comaneci's olympic win and upbringing, Aly Raisman's 2012 olympic all around experience and missing a medal, Katelyn Ohashi and the injury that led to the end of her elite career, and the pressure she felt to push through it and how she was told to not see a doctor. if she hadn't, she could have had a spinal cord injury. Jordyn Wieber, Laurie Hernandez, Morgan Hurd and several other big names have been talking. a very interesting watch so far.

 

MissBeeFarm

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Defying Gravity was surprisingly disappointing I think. It was all over the place, just a collection of anecdotes without anything to tie them together. Like, the first episode was about floor, yet half of the stories weren't even about floor in any way. It's like they didn't know at all in which direction they want to take the whole thing. It also feels so incredibly outdated with all the Miss Val praise and Maggie Haney shwoing up, now that we know they both put (some of) their gymnasts through hell.

Nevertheless, it's lovely to see so many different gymnasts getting some spotlight and a wider audience for their stories. That's great to see.
 
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