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Women's FS - 2022 Olympics: Thoughts?

There is more than ET’s women skaters who jump quads and 3As. To me it looks like quads are actually easier for women than 3A, and it seems to rely on different principles than men’s quads. I am tired of artistry used as a punishing stick against the skaters that do not comply with gender stereotypes. I also like performances that are openly athletic by both women and men. I like music themes and performances that emphasize something beyond saccharine or mellow romantic stuff. I want more of that, and that’s what I see in Trusova far more than in any other women. That’s why I miss Trusova. That’s why I don’t like Higuchi because she tries to comply with those music choices and tiaras to almost a satiric level in my view.
I'm not sure how you can get from a powerful skater like Higuchi to tiaras and satire.

Singles figure skating has gendered divisions: there's a women's division and a men's division. In that sense, there is stereotyping. It's built into the competition. But this has nothing to do with athleticism or innovation. Some women's athleticism looks different than other women's athleticism: Tonya and Nancy come to mind. But all elite figure skaters are athletic. You don't get there without physical giftedness and development.
 
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It didn't prevent her to get 74 PCS.
I get that her SS are stellar but speed isn't all, multidirectional skating matter too. She is charismatic but CO and IN should count too. But PCS are now more consistency points than anything else.
Anyway, this Kaori vs Wakaba (or even Shcherbakova vs Trusova) debate proves again that any system so far promote quality or difficulty. Having the hardest layout doesn't necessarily pays off, especially if the skater consistently get calls. This is like Yuna vs Mao. Even when Mao wasn't getting crushed with UR calls, the GOEs were making a huge difference. Yuna collecting +2s and +3s while Mao was mostly getting +1s.
The lesson: Skate fast, jump high and long, don't bomb too much and you will be rewarded.
You forgot the most important thing for high GOE and PCS. Fed suport.
 
Put my bias aside, I think Wakaba has the best Free Program overall this season. Her Lion King music choice, choreography, 3A, step sequence, costume....everything is perfect (except one fall). Wakaba is better than Kaori IMO. Kaori is queen of GOE, I got it but ....Kaori's LP is boring ......nothing special about it.
I agree. Higuchi is the whole package. Half of figure skating is essentially dancing. To be a great skater you must have excellent dancing skills, as Wakaba does. She has great musicality and total body control,including upper body and arms. Sakamoto has neither. Higuchi also often exceeds Kaori in speed and height, although since she jumps with a traditional arc, she does not match her length. She also has more varied choreography and tighter turns which lessens her sense of speed, as opposed to Kaori's wide sweeping turns. Sakamoto's strongest things are her jump consistency(very important), Fed support(which Wakaba has never had), and a great coaching team that knows how to hide her faults(much better strategy than Higuchi's team) . The way it is now, Wakaba needs to be absolutely perfect doing a much harder program to maybe be close to Kaori. This is completely ridiculous. Plus, both girls know this, which causes Kaori to relax and Wakaba to press.
 
I agree. Higuchi is the whole package. Half of figure skating is essentially dancing. To be a great skater you must have excellent dancing skills, as Wakaba does. She has great musicality and total body control,including upper body and arms. Sakamoto has neither. Higuchi also often exceeds Kaori in speed and height, although since she jumps with a traditional arc, she does not match her length. She also has more varied choreography and tighter turns which lessens her sense of speed, as opposed to Kaori's wide sweeping turns. Sakamoto's strongest things are her jump consistency(very important), Fed support(which Wakaba has never had), and a great coaching team that knows how to hide her faults(much better strategy than Higuchi's team) . The way it is now, Wakaba needs to be absolutely perfect doing a much harder program to maybe be close to Kaori. This is completely ridiculous. Plus, both girls know this, which causes Kaori to relax and Wakaba to press.
Irina Slutskaya commented on the short program at the team tournament on Russian television. And when Higuchi was just out on the ice, Irina said literally the following - this athlete has soft legs, this is very good in order to show the most beautiful and smooth skating (or sliding), but this same feature can make jumping difficult - any jump may turn out to be underrotated.

And indeed, on two jumps, the judges gave Wakaba an under-rotation. Of course, I don’t know what “soft legs” are, I think that these are some individual features of the muscles. In any case, Slutskaya's prediction came true.
 
Irina Slutskaya commented on the short program at the team tournament on Russian television. And when Higuchi was just out on the ice, Irina said literally the following - this athlete has soft legs, this is very good in order to show the most beautiful and smooth skating (or sliding), but this same feature can make jumping difficult - any jump may turn out to be underrotated.

And indeed, on two jumps, the judges gave Wakaba an under-rotation. Of course, I don’t know what “soft legs” are, I think that these are some individual features of the muscles. In any case, Slutskaya's prediction came true.
She probably meant soft (deep) knees, something the Japanese are known for. Interesting that "soft legs" are good enough to do 3As successfully, something no one else was able to do, and Irina herself never came close to doing with her hard legs. Lol.
 
There really needs to be a balance though. We had superb athleticism and artistry with Kaetlyn Osmond, e.g. She was just a bit nervous competitively, coupled with having come back from injuries, so she was not considered a favorite for Olympic gold in 2018. However, the overall quality of Osmond's skating both athletically and artistically was far, far superior to that of Zagitova and Medvedeva. While I have a soft spot for Medvedeva, she had terrible jump technique, which damaged her back, and is the main reason she can't skate any longer. Eteri had Zagitova packaged like a baby ballerina with all the bells and whistles, but it was mostly camouflage. Eteri had them backloading their jumps to gain points. They weren't doing quads at that point, of course. But all anyone could talk about in the lead-up to the 2018 Olympics, were these two ladies. It was a given that one of them were going to win gold, and the other silver.

Both are no longer skating. A lot of Zagitova's appeal was her gorgeous looks and the carefully calibrated bells and whistles. She fell apart after winning Olympic gold in her debut season. Poor judging IMO. Medvedeva should have won, if it was going to be between the two of them alone for gold. If Osmond had possessed a bit more confidence and less nerves at the start of the season, and had she been able to utilize that confidence when she went head-to-head with Zagitova and Medvedeva during the
GP, then there might have been more buzz about her chances for Olympic gold. As it was, there wasn't any certainty that Osmond would medal. But she brought it during the sp, which placed her in a great position. Plus, judges did love Osmond's gorgeous skating, with great jump technique and height.

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I also want to say that although the South Korean ladies (Young You and Ye-lim Kim) are wonderful skaters, there's such a reticence about their skating, that might be cultural, or something to do with the training methods and pressure of expectations. I find that I'm disconnected emotionally watching their skating. While there is evidence of passion there, somewhat, they mostly seem to skate with a determined focus that detaches them emotionally from their music. They aren't exactly robotic, but just not fully connected, even though they have lovely choreography and generally nice music selections. It seems as if they are bent on getting through all the tough technical content to the point where it's hard for them to focus on skating fully developed artistic performances.
The whole Zagitova/Medvedeva narrative was unfortunately a highly successful deliberate propaganda campaign perpetuated on the skating world. Anyway, I will forever and always regard Osmond as the rightful and true winner of the 2018 Olympics. Especially with what we know now.

But relevant to 2022...I completely agree with you about the Korean skaters. I just can't get excited about them, though I can intellectually see that they are fine skaters, with mostly decent choreography even. They are just totally unexciting and unmemorable thus far.

I'm not as big a fan of Sakamoto as some here, so I'm rooting for Higuchi to maybe win worlds. I don't have a particular preference though. It will be a fascinating competition to watch.

I hope that Maddie Schizas can get her mojo back to where it was for the Olympic team event and maybe qualify two spots for Canada for next season. A top 10 finish would be great for her.
 
As long as Wakaba gets a medal I dont care what color it is. I dont think she can beat Kaori tho. When I rescored Kaori's Olympic FS she didnt get lower than +3 on a single element, her quality and consistency is about as good as it gets. I'd be very happy with either Alysa or Young on the podium too. Its so easy to root for everyone in this field, I hope Mana gets her redemption, and Haein skates as well as she did at 4CC, and that the whole competition saves ladies figure skating for its fans.
 
As long as Wakaba gets a medal I dont care what color it is. I dont think she can beat Kaori tho. When I rescored Kaori's Olympic FS she didnt get lower than +3 on a single element, her quality and consistency is about as good as it gets. I'd be very happy with either Alysa or Young on the podium too. Its so easy to root for everyone in this field, I hope Mana gets her redemption, and Haein skates as well as she did at 4CC, and that the whole competition saves ladies figure skating for its fans.
Kaori deserves +3 on her flutzes? Shouldn't the 12 point edge Wakaba should get from 2 clean 3As be more than enough to beat Kaori if clean? Of course this is assuming fair scoring, which isn't likely.
 
There really needs to be a balance though. We had superb athleticism and artistry with Kaetlyn Osmond, e.g. She was just a bit nervous competitively, coupled with having come back from injuries, so she was not considered a favorite for Olympic gold in 2018. However, the overall quality of Osmond's skating both athletically and artistically was far, far superior to that of Zagitova and Medvedeva. While I have a soft spot for Medvedeva, she had terrible jump technique, which damaged her back, and is the main reason she can't skate any longer. Eteri had Zagitova packaged like a baby ballerina with all the bells and whistles, but it was mostly camouflage. Eteri had them backloading their jumps to gain points. They weren't doing quads at that point, of course. But all anyone could talk about in the lead-up to the 2018 Olympics, were these two ladies. It was a given that one of them were going to win gold, and the other silver.

Both are no longer skating. A lot of Zagitova's appeal was her gorgeous looks and the carefully calibrated bells and whistles. She fell apart after winning Olympic gold in her debut season. Poor judging IMO. Medvedeva should have won, if it was going to be between the two of them alone for gold. If Osmond had possessed a bit more confidence and less nerves at the start of the season, and had she been able to utilize that confidence when she went head-to-head with Zagitova and Medvedeva during the
GP, then there might have been more buzz about her chances for Olympic gold. As it was, there wasn't any certainty that Osmond would medal. But she brought it during the sp, which placed her in a great position. Plus, judges did love Osmond's gorgeous skating, with great jump technique and height.

In any case, Zagitova, as the reigning Olympic gold medalist, had to go through a huge downside the next season after a growth spurt. Suddenly, her cross-overs were laid bare and they looked horrid. But to her credit, she kept working hard with determination, and by the end of the season, with generous help from the judges who were interested in justifying her Olympic win, Zagitova prevailed to at least win Worlds.

Frankly, the way things have gone, the Russian ladies are like a dime a dozen, which is sad. I admire Trusova's grit and athleticism, but there seems to also be a lot of physical and emotional damage that goes on in Eteri's camp. I think Valieva is a gorgeous skater who could have shined without Eteri's influence, and certainly without help from drugs. Despite her prowess, I have rarely enjoyed watching Valieva, because it never seemed like she truly had passion for what she was doing. Her handlers had squeezed all the joy out of her skating. Look what happened to Kostornaia over the years too. She was formerly such a lovely skater.

Even Sotnikova in 2014 (though she wasn't coached by Eteri), won Olympic gold prematurely, and then, she no longer had any motivation to improve. I appreciate the way Liza Tuk has kept trying so hard after her precocious youthful triumphs. While Liza is not a great aesthetic skater, her determination and athleticism are very inspiring.

I never liked Scherbakova's skating. She always seemed so thin, brittle, and desperate to please Eteri. But I haven't seen her in awhile, so at the Olympics, Scherbakova actually looked like she'd grown a bit, and matured somewhat emotionally, Plus, I guess she had to fight so hard to make the team, perhaps that helped her. I actually enjoyed her skating this time. However, I thought Trusova would win with all the quads, but Scherbakova's clean performances were deserving, under the circumstances. Too bad that Trusova went off the deep end emotionally when she didn't win gold. There's something likeable about Trusova -- her spirited personality and her desire, perhaps. But once again, there's also something missing in her skating; she's not well-rounded. It was great seeing Kaori Sakamoto on the podium! Her skating has matured too, and with her clean, solid performances, her bronze medal was very deserving. Even without quads, there's such a delicious quality to the skating of Sakamoto and Wakaba Higuchi.

I also enjoy Loena Hendrickx, because she's not a cookie cutter skater. I'm sorry that Bradie Tennell was injured this season. She's a fighter. Although Karen Chen is such a lovely skater, maybe she should have tried a different coach to see if she could improve technically and competitively. I think Chen certainly has wonderful abilities, but too much self-doubt, IMO, especially under pressure. I wish Amber Glenn had been given more opportunities and encouragement. She has self-doubts too and seemingly a sensitive personality. U.S. fed did not demonstrate much confidence in Glenn, which can be devastating, in addition to dealing with injury setbacks.

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I also want to say that although the South Korean ladies (Young You and Ye-lim Kim) are wonderful skaters, there's such a reticence about their skating, that might be cultural, or something to do with the training methods and pressure of expectations. I find that I'm disconnected emotionally watching their skating. While there is evidence of passion there, somewhat, they mostly seem to skate with a determined focus that detaches them emotionally from their music. They aren't exactly robotic, but just not fully connected, even though they have lovely choreography and generally nice music selections. It seems as if they are bent on getting through all the tough technical content to the point where it's hard for them to focus on skating fully developed artistic performances.
I just LOVE, LOVE, LOVE, your post. So eloquent, so true, so honest, so factual and analytical. I agree with you as well, I feel that Katelyn Osmond should've won in 2018, IMO everything about here was so good, the artistry, the jumping, etc.
 
Kaori deserves +3 on her flutzes? Shouldn't the 12 point edge Wakaba should get from 2 clean 3As be more than enough to beat Kaori if clean? Of course this is assuming fair scoring, which isn't likely.

Wakaba has edge issues too (! and e on her flip in the Olympics). And has rotation issues on her combo, whereas Kaori's is usually very cleanly rotated. Kaori has fixed her flutz to a !, so it's really not a huge hit she takes - just on GOE. Wakaba's lip is much more severe/costly.

Wakaba was underscored at the Olympics, but the quality of Kaori's elements and Kaori's speed outshine Wakaba overall. However, while I get Wakaba is a sentimental fave and people constantly say she's hosed by the judges, I really don't think it's as bad as some people make it out to be.

She still makes errors - like, Wakaba fell - she did that on her own, and the judges didn't make her fall. And she still pulled 69.26 PCS which is hardly chump change.
 
Wakaba has edge issues too (! and e on her flip in the Olympics). And has rotation issues on her combo, whereas Kaori's is usually very cleanly rotated. Kaori has fixed her flutz to a !, so it's really not a huge hit she takes - just on GOE. Wakaba's lip is much more severe/costly.

Wakaba was underscored at the Olympics, but the quality of Kaori's elements and Kaori's speed outshine Wakaba overall. However, while I get Wakaba is a sentimental fave and people constantly say she's hosed by the judges, I really don't think it's as bad as some people make it out to be.

She still makes errors - like, Wakaba fell - she did that on her own, and the judges didn't make her fall. And she still pulled 69.26 PCS which is hardly chump change.
Kaori's flutz is worse than Wakaba's lip, Wakaba has plenty of speed with tighter turns, those two 3As give her twice the points she would lose on the fall. Higuchi has better steps and should get higher PCS due to her much greater upper body control and fluidity compared to Sakamoto's glaring stiffness. I think we agree that both are very good with different strengths and weaknesses, but we differ on our preference, which is fine. However, my main point, which I think you would agree with, is that Kaori is scored way more favorably than Wakaba due to her Feds obvious favoritism of her over Wakaba, who JSF has never liked.
 
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The whole Zagitova/Medvedeva narrative was unfortunately a highly successful deliberate propaganda campaign
Some people in skating didn't buy it, but they were not in positions of power. For e.g., Tom Dickson (choreographer and former U.S. skater) said ahead of the 2018 Olympics that Osmond was the overall better skater vs Zagitova and Medvedeva.
 
Kaori deserves +3 on her flutzes? Shouldn't the 12 point edge Wakaba should get from 2 clean 3As be more than enough to beat Kaori if clean
Kaori's FS flutz had 4 positive bullets: height/distance, effortless, transitions, musical. In my personal rescoring all edge calls got a -1, I did not differentiate between clearly wrong and unclearly wrong bec that seems ridiculous to me. So she ends up at +3.
Yes Wakaba has a higher base value, but unfortunately also has a bit of a q/< problem, as well as less transitions, so her jump GOEs dont pile up the way Kaori's do.
I'm just one person and my assessments certainly weren't perfect. But I did go element by element, bullet by bullet, and I love them both so there was no bias. Wakaba had an 8 point BV advantage across both programs, but Kaori got a whopping 27 points from GOEs, while Wakaba got about 10. Wakaba is capable of skating better than she did at the Olympics, but Kaori would have to make more than one mistake for that execution gap to completely disappear.
However, my main point, which I think you would agree with, is that Kaori is scored way more favorably than Wakaba due to her Feds obvious favoritism of her over Wakaba, who JSF has never liked.
PCS is indeciferable to me so I only did a technical rescoring, maybe there was some unfair manipulation in the second mark benefitting one Japanese girl and not the other. But I thought it was very interesting that in both SP and FS, my score was within one point of the judges for both Kaori and Wakaba. Compared to the Russians, where I have Anna and Kamila over scored by at least 10 points, and Sasha by over 20 across both programs.
 
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Kaori's FS flutz had 4 positive bullets: height/distance, effortless, transitions, musical. In my personal rescoring all edge calls got a -1, I did not differentiate between clearly wrong and unclearly wrong bec that seems ridiculous to me. So she ends up at +3.
Yes Wakaba has a higher base value, but unfortunately also has a bit of a q/< problem, as well as less transitions, so her jump GOEs dont pile up the way Kaori's do.
I'm just one person and my assessments certainly weren't perfect. But I did go element by element, bullet by bullet, and I love them both so there was no bias. Wakaba had an 8 point BV advantage across both programs, but Kaori got a whopping 27 points from GOEs, while Wakaba got about 10. Wakaba is capable of skating better than she did at the Olympics, but Kaori would have to make more than one mistake for that execution gap to completely disappear.

PCS is indeciferable to me so I only did a technical rescoring, maybe there was some unfair manipulation in the second mark benefitting one Japanese girl and not the other. But I thought it was very interesting that in both SP and FS, my score was within one point of the judges for both Kaori and Wakaba. Compared to the Russians, where I have Anna and Kamila over scored by at least 10 points, and Sasha by over 20 across both programs.
I would agree with you on the edge scoring if Wakaba received the same, but she doesn't, which is my point. Other than flow out of the combo, Wakaba's jump GOEs generally should be right with Kaori. And you have to admit that Kaori getting higher GOE than Wakaba in steps is laughable. Most of the calls against Wakaba were either flat out wrong or overly strict, especially when Kaori got away with her flutz in the short. In a related note, the GOE and PCS scoring ranges are way too big, especially since GOE can be just as subjective as PCS in many ways. They should be more of a tiebreaker than a determining factor. The skaters should determine the outcome, the less power the judges have, the better.
 
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Kaori's flutz is worse than Wakaba's lip, Wakaba has plenty of speed with tighter turns, those two 3As give her twice the points she would lose on the fall. Higuchi has better steps and should get higher PCS due to her much greater upper body control and fluidity compared to Sakamoto's glaring stiffness. I think we agree that both are very good with different strengths and weaknesses, but we differ on our preference, which is fine. However, my main point, which I think you would agree with, is that Kaori is scored way more favorably than Wakaba due to her Feds obvious favoritism of her over Wakaba, who JSF has never liked.

I think Kaori is scored more favourably but a lot of that has to do with being a more consistent skater than Wakaba. Wakaba has only just started getting consistency on her 3A this season but other errors (like falls) mar her skates. Agreed she is a more fluid skater in the upper body (still a constant weakness of Sakamoto) but she lacks the speed, power and attack of Sakamoto who maximizes GOE on her jumps. Wakaba’s 3Z+3T for example is a combo that feels like it’s “done” to check it off and not as impressive or with as much flow as other combos. Wakaba’s never been the JSF fave but this victim perception isn’t exactly long-standing and she has had opportunities (somewhere Mai Mihara rolls her eyes every time someone says Wakaba is the one who the JSF consistently screws over). Again, JSF isn’t the one causing Wakaba to lip or who caused her to fall in the Olympics.
 
I think Kaori is scored more favourably but a lot of that has to do with being a more consistent skater than Wakaba. Wakaba has only just started getting consistency on her 3A this season but other errors (like falls) mar her skates. Agreed she is a more fluid skater in the upper body (still a constant weakness of Sakamoto) but she lacks the speed, power and attack of Sakamoto who maximizes GOE on her jumps. Wakaba’s 3Z+3T for example is a combo that feels like it’s “done” to check it off and not as impressive or with as much flow as other combos. Wakaba’s never been the JSF fave but this victim perception isn’t exactly long-standing and she has had opportunities (somewhere Mai Mihara rolls her eyes every time someone says Wakaba is the one who the JSF consistently screws over). Again, JSF isn’t the one causing Wakaba to lip or who caused her to fall in the Olympics.
2 clean 3As should double the points lost on one fall, and Kaori has a flutz, yet there was a 19 point difference(that is the judge's fault) which is ridiculous. This isnt speed skating. As long as you demonstrate decent speed you dont get extra points for being faster. Wakaba often clocks faster top speed than Kaori, but she has more varied programs. It is easier to be consistent when you skate much easier programs.The Fed influence and corrupt judging is the big problem here. Ironically, a year ago I was arguing very hard in Kaori's favor after she was screwed by the judges last year. But the US needs 3 spots, so JSF couldn't help.
 
2 clean 3As should double the points lost on one fall, and Kaori has a flutz, yet there was a 19 point difference(that is the judge's fault) which is ridiculous. This isnt speed skating. As long as you demonstrate decent speed you dont get extra points for being faster. Wakaba often clocks faster top speed than Kaori, but she has more varied programs. It is easier to be consistent when you skate much easier programs.The Fed influence and corrupt judging is the big problem here. Ironically, a year ago I was arguing very hard in Kaori's favor after she was screwed by the judges last year. But the US needs 3 spots, so JSF couldn't help.

It's not quite that simple. Grade of execution is very important.

And re: your earlier point, Wakaba's lip is not better than Kaori's flutz. Wakaba got edge calls on both attempts of it, and Sakamoto's only got a ! on her lutz in the FS, which means her flutz is closer to a lutz than Wakaba's lip is closer to a flip. People can opine how they want, but this is how they're being scored (and FWIW, I do think Kaori has improved her flutz, whereas Wakaba's flip looks the same). Also, even though Sakamoto has a bit of a flutz, the jump itself is HUGE, whereas Higuchi is performing a lip with comparatively average amplitude/execution, so not only is the lip more severe according to the tech calls, but the jump itself isn't "making up for it" and thus her GOE is negative whereas even with the flutz Kaori's was +GOE (although the +3s were too generous IMO).

Wakaba's -3T combos are also an issue. In 3 attempts, twice the 3T was UR and once the 3T was q. However you want to say she's unfairly or strictly assessed, again the reality is that she's not making her combo clearly rotated. Kaori's 3F+3T and 2A+3T on the other hand are almost always unquestionably rotated (with some exceptions). This means that the BV/GOE that Kaori gets on her three -3T combos (SP+LP) get more points on GOE and even more points on BV than Higuchi.

Consider that Higuchi's three 3Z+3T combo attempts at the Olympics earned 26.09 points (25/09 with fall deduction). Sakamoto's three triple-toe combos, SP 3F+3Tx and LP 3F+3Tx, 2A+3T+2Tx, are lower difficulty however (also thanks to all 3 using the second-half bonus, which Higuchi only used for only one of her three 3Z+3T combos), they collectively earned her 35.92 points. That's almost 10 points more that Sakamoto earned on her combos alone.

You talk about the 3A doubling the points lost on the fall - yeah, if it was a fully rotated combo with a fall. But she had two URs/a q (diminishing her GOE in the process), an e on her flip which removed 30% BV (and worse GOE reduction than a !). And then you look at her other elements compared to Kaori - for example, Kaori's 2A in the FS got 4.76, whereas Wakaba's double axel got 4.10 points. Wakaba's spins/footwork collectively earned 11.42+12.26 +5.18+5.29 = 34.15 points, whereas Kaori's spins/footwork collectively earned 12.60+12.14 + 5.4 + 5.4 = 35.54, so that's another area where Kaori gained points over her.

It all comes down to execution. Even with underrotations, Higuchi still had higher BV in both segments compared to Sakamoto but made errors and didn't have sufficiently rotated combos and a lip, which really compromised her GOE/tech scores. It doesn't matter if Higuchi does two triple axels (which "only" score +2/+3 at that), if the way the rest of her elements are executed give up that advantage.
 
It's not quite that simple. Grade of execution is very important.

And re: your earlier point, Wakaba's lip is not better than Kaori's flutz. Wakaba got edge calls on both attempts of it, and Sakamoto's only got a ! on her lutz in the FS, which means her flutz is closer to a lutz than Wakaba's lip is closer to a flip. People can opine how they want, but this is how they're being scored (and FWIW, I do think Kaori has improved her flutz, whereas Wakaba's flip looks the same). Also, even though Sakamoto has a bit of a flutz, the jump itself is HUGE, whereas Higuchi is performing a lip with comparatively average amplitude/execution, so not only is the lip more severe according to the tech calls, but the jump itself isn't "making up for it" and thus her GOE is negative whereas even with the flutz Kaori's was +GOE (although the +3s were too generous IMO).

Wakaba's -3T combos are also an issue. In 3 attempts, twice the 3T was UR and once the 3T was q. However you want to say she's unfairly or strictly assessed, again the reality is that she's not making her combo clearly rotated. Kaori's 3F+3T and 2A+3T on the other hand are almost always unquestionably rotated (with some exceptions). This means that the BV/GOE that Kaori gets on her three -3T combos (SP+LP) get more points on GOE and even more points on BV than Higuchi.

Consider that Higuchi's three 3Z+3T combo attempts at the Olympics earned 26.09 points (25/09 with fall deduction). Sakamoto's three triple-toe combos, SP 3F+3Tx and LP 3F+3Tx, 2A+3T+2Tx, are lower difficulty however (also thanks to all 3 using the second-half bonus, which Higuchi only used for only one of her three 3Z+3T combos), they collectively earned her 35.92 points. That's almost 10 points more that Sakamoto earned on her combos alone.

You talk about the 3A doubling the points lost on the fall - yeah, if it was a fully rotated combo with a fall. But she had two URs/a q (diminishing her GOE in the process), an e on her flip which removed 30% BV (and worse GOE reduction than a !). And then you look at her other elements compared to Kaori - for example, Kaori's 2A in the FS got 4.76, whereas Wakaba's double axel got 4.10 points. Wakaba's spins/footwork collectively earned 11.42+12.26 +5.18+5.29 = 34.15 points, whereas Kaori's spins/footwork collectively earned 12.60+12.14 + 5.4 + 5.4 = 35.54, so that's another area where Kaori gained points over her.

It all comes down to execution. Even with underrotations, Higuchi still had higher BV in both segments compared to Sakamoto but made errors and didn't have sufficiently rotated combos and a lip, which really compromised her GOE/tech scores. It doesn't matter if Higuchi does two triple axels (which "only" score +2/+3 at that), if the way the rest of her elements are executed give up that advantage.
I could have sworn the whole point of this was that the judging isn't fair. Then you rehash all the bogus calls and scores, that we obviously disagree about. The tech caller is a big part of the judging, and just as open to outside influence.As I said, the same thing happened to Kaori last World's. Sakamoto hasn't improved her lutz, she improved the way she tries to hide it. Im not arguing how they will be judged btw. Im arguing how they should be judged if it was fair.
 
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