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I really admire Evgenia for her drive. The girl is fierce no doubt.
(As are Alina and many of the other ladies)
(As are Alina and many of the other ladies)
AZ 82.92 v NC 82.27
Why is the Program Components Score being labelled as "Presentation" score when the skaters score is presented on screen?
She doesn't skate to Black Swan in her step sequence, she skates to Moonlight, a film about a gay African-American youth who is dealing with poverty, isolation, drug abuse, and oppression. I think calling her interpretation masterful is kind of like a kid declaring microwave food the most delicious thing in the world. The footwork sequence is athletically convincing, but far removed from what better dancers can do, both in her form itself and in the understanding and expression of the music.
. I think calling her interpretation masterful is kind of like a kid declaring microwave food the most delicious thing in the world.
Agreed 100%. In fact, you bring up the word "shallow" and I might even use it as a counterpoint - The belief that music always needs to be connected to the context it was created for is in my opinion a very shallow and uncreative way of thinking. You can combine different types of music and use fitting music for your own creation, no matter what purpose the music was originally intended for. You can also invent your own purposes and interpretations to music that the composer might never have thought of. And you can base stories around music that have nothing to do with what the composer had in mind.I emphatically disagree that any interpreter necessarily has to express the theme of a film (or other artwork) that happens to be attached to a piece of music (regardless even of whether the music was composed for that film) to give the performance valid artistic merit. That would be one interpretive choice, granted, and even a powerful one if you want to look at it that way, but by the very nature of music existing separately from film, this is by NO means a requirement in creating another valuable piece of art.
It is even possible to not know the film, and respond to what the one hears in the music, which I repeat exists separately from the film. And one can hear many and diverging things in any good piece of music. There are different levels of interpreting music, of course, and you're free to label one interpretation "shallower" than another, but not expressing specifically the film (and it's not like the music could only possibly call to mind that film and nothing else in the universe) does not make it a "wrong" or "poor" choice, by any means, which you seem to imply.
I emphatically disagree that any interpreter necessarily has to express the theme of a film (or other artwork) that happens to be attached to a piece of music
I love many movie soundtracks where I've never watched the movie or don't even know what it is about
Ah, regarding "mastery of artistry" in a vacuum ? No, I don't think Zagitova is there.Perhaps if you did watch more films and artworks, particularly other dances/skating performances, then you would also share the opinion that Zagitova's movement and artistry is undeserving of being called masterful. This is why I used the example of a kid thinking microwave food is amazing. If that's all you have experienced and surrounded yourself with, then you are going to be unaware of the different, better possibitilities out there.
When I think of the expression and form that the best actresses and dancers are able to provide and could do with this music, and how a skater would go about translating it to the ice if they were approaching it with 100% artistic integrity and capability, then it's just silly to consider Zagitova as being a peak of artistry in figure skating.
Good post, though we differ in our preferences!Alina - well, she is quite something. Wonderful dancer-like awareness and capability. Lacking extension in many places, but I think it's more due to being rushed, than due to lack of ability or awareness (though the ability to show beautiful consistent full extension may in turn be going underveloped, but I sense she would be fine in that style also if it was what they were going for). Her programs are jam-packed. Less polished than Evgenia for somewhat of the same style; from Evgenia there a slightly more mature calm and I think better emphasis on phrasing. But given her age, (which I always keep in mind in critisizing any skater) she seems to be in no way lacking in anything whatsoever at this point (--How the relative immaturity and the rushing should be scored is a separate discussion). I don't think this jam-packed movement is the best approach for figure skating; it's like there is no more room for glide and pausing on extension. But do think Alina is truly great. Kurt suggesting that the double axels are overscored from both Russian girls. Carol is a huge fan of the dress, calling it perfect and
I never said that. I was simply pointing out where the music came from, which someone incorrectly labeled, and also giving a broad example of why Zagitova's skating fails to have the depth some people think it does.
Zagitova's form and interpretation of the music are far from the best, regardless of what exact interpretation someone wants to do. She doesn't extend as well as possible and the timing of the movements is often rushed and without as much of a personal expression. There are far deeper and more developed displays of choreography and interpretation that are possible.
Perhaps if you did watch more films and artworks, particularly other dances/skating performances, then you would also share the opinion that Zagitova's movement and artistry is undeserving of being called masterful. This is why I used the example of a kid thinking microwave food is amazing. If that's all you have experienced and surrounded yourself with, then you are going to be unaware of the different, better possibitilities out there.
When I think of the expression and form that the best actresses and dancers are able to provide and could do with this music, and how a skater would go about translating it to the ice if they were approaching it with 100% artistic integrity and capability, then it's just silly to consider Zagitova as being a peak of artistry in figure skating.
Yes, Kaori does backload her jumps. But I differ from your impression of how she uses her music.I thought Kaori has a very Eteri-style program, not only because of backloading, but also because every second is crammed with movement to the brim. It's nice that she can do all that stuff but the Moonlight Sonata is a weird piece to set such packed choreo to.
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