2024-25 South Korean Figure Skating

[Joekaz]

He was (and still is) below the age of consent. There was no world, even if he admitted to the relationship from the start, where the adult in this relationship was not going to be in trouble.

That's the risk you take when you enter a relationship with a 14-year-old at 18, when despite everyone's advice, you keep seeing them after you have become a legal adult, and canoodle with them at a National training camp while drinking.

Not saying the length of the suspension isn't questionable, but let's also not act like Haein is somehow a completely innocent, non-acting party in this, because that would be Young.
And she wasn't thrown under the bus by Skater C (or by Haein for that matter either). Apart from her being there and also drinking, nobody except the "investigators" said anything about any other misbehaviour committed by her. Nobody, including the three skaters involved, seems to know what she supposedly did, apart from drinking.

Why did he talk about anything sexual then? Because he didn't want to get in trouble for breaking the rules. 2 months before that they were both legal to be in a relationship that had been going on, and 6 weeks from now they will be again. The sexual harassment charge is ridiculous. They should all be given the same punishment for breaking rules.

 

[Jumping_Bean]

Why did he talk about anything sexual then?

We still have no idea how investigators found out about any of this, including the fact that they were drinking. Considering he had a visible hickey, there being a sexual component to this was difficult to hide, no? Lesson for everyone here, if you do things that are stupid and borderline illegal, maybe don't leave physical evidence.

2 months before that they were both legal to be in a relationship that had been going on, and 6 weeks from now they will be again. The sexual harassment charge is ridiculous.

If at any point during your relationship, it becomes illegal due to the age gap, then maybe rethink your actions up to that point. And the law doesn't care if something was once legal and now isn't anymore, it's still illegal.

They should all be given the same punishment for breaking rules.

They didn't break the same rules and they are not the same age (which does impact even actual legal punishment), so explain to me again why they should get the same punishment.

 

[FlossieH]

They didn't break the same rules and they are not the same age (which does impact even actual legal punishment), so explain to me again why they should get the same punishment.

They all broke the same rule about not mixing genders in a dorm. If the girls are being punished for that element (and we don't know whether they are), then he should be too. Whilst he may have been invited to do so, he still went into the dorm of his own free will when he knew that it wasn't allowed. It is possible that he has received some sort of punishment for being in the dorm - we don't know, because details are not available. The sexual and alcohol elements are different.

 

[Jumping_Bean]

They all broke the same rule about not mixing genders in a dorm. If the girls are being punished for that element (and we don't know whether they are), then he should be too. Whilst he may have been invited to do so, he still went into the dorm of his own free will when he knew that it wasn't allowed. It is possible that he has received some sort of punishment for being in the dorm - we don't know, because details are not available. The sexual and alcohol elements are different.

We actually do know that they probably didn't get any punishment for him being in their dorm, as that was never part of the reasoning for the suspension from the very beginning, when only the alcohol consumption had been reported. At the same time, it was also reported that he was reprimanded, though we don't know what a reprimand entails in this case.

The most similar case I could find was Kim Gun-woo, a Korean male speed skater, getting a one-month suspension and 20 hours of community service for entering the dormitory of Kim Ye-jin, a female speed skater, with her permission to give her medicine in 2019. She was reprimanded and also had to perform 10 hours of community service. However, both athletes were legal adults (20 and 19 respectively). Both skaters were also banned from entering the National Training Center - Kim Gun-woo for 3 months, Kim Ye-jin for 1 month.

Also, a reminder that these rules started being enforced much more stringently exactly because of previous sexual and physical assault accusations among speed skaters.

 

[Joekaz]

We actually do know that they probably didn't get any punishment for him being in their dorm, as that was never part of the reasoning for the suspension from the very beginning, when only the alcohol consumption had been reported. At the same time, it was also reported that he was reprimanded, though we don't know what a reprimand entails in this case.

The most similar case I could find was Kim Gun-woo, a Korean male speed skater, getting a one-month suspension and 20 hours of community service for entering the dormitory of Kim Ye-jin, a female speed skater, with her permission to give her medicine in 2019. She was reprimanded and also had to perform 10 hours of community service. However, both athletes were legal adults (20 and 19 respectively). Both skaters were also banned from entering the National Training Center - Kim Gun-woo for 3 months, Kim Ye-jin for 1 month.

Also, a reminder that these rules started being enforced much more stringently exactly because of previous sexual and physical assault accusations among speed skaters.

Punishing female skaters for giving hickeys in a sport plagued by predatory adult men abusing boys and girls is ridiculous. If laws were broken,where is the police? We have reports of what was said to investigators and
it is obvious it wasn't the girls who ratted everyone out. They all should have gotten only reprimands. A teenage girl being foolish in romance, OMG, throw her in prison. The misogyny in figure skating federations is pathetic.

 

[Jumping_Bean]

Punishing female skaters for giving hickeys in a sport plagued by predatory adult men abusing boys and girls is ridiculous.

Acting like women can't be abusers or in a position of power over others in a sport plagued with female coaches severely abusing male and female skaters is also ridiculous, but I'm sure you ignore that. Just ask the young girl beaten by Julia Lavrenchuk or those who trained under Dalilah Sappenfield.

If laws were broken, where is the police?

I don't know, but - OMG - neither do you. Funny how that works.

We have reports of what was said to investigators

We actually don't, we have very conflicting statements from all parties involved. What we do know however is that his hickey was seen by a coach who then reported this to the federation. That's where it started.

and it is obvious it wasn't the girls who ratted everyone out.

No of course not, if I was drinking, knowing it would lead to a suspension if I'm caught, I wouldn't rat myself out either. And clearly, he wasn't the one who started the investigation either.

They all should have gotten only reprimands.

No, they shouldn't. Regardless of what you think of the sexual harassment part of this story, every single skater who drank during training camps or in the dormitories of the National Training base has been suspended, so why should Young and Haein be spared? Even Olympic champions were suspended. A skater who was simply in the same car as a drunk driver was suspended for 2 months - He hadn't even drunk any alcohol himself. A coach, who was not even present during the incident, was suspended for a year "for lack of oversight".

A teenage girl being foolish in romance, OMG, throw her in prison.

A lot of teenagers have done "foolish" things that ruined someone else's life forever - Stupidity doesn't protect you from the consequences of your actions. I too was 18 and 19 not too long ago, and you know what I never did? Got with a 14-year-old, put myself in a situation where my relationship was skirting the lines of legality, and kept on pursuing them after everyone around me warned me. Maybe Haein is particularly immature, but she herself acknowledges that it was her responsibility as the adult in the relationship (what a weird thing to say about a romantic relationship) to not give him a hickey.

The misogyny in figure skating federations is pathetic.

Interesting how you are ignoring that KSU has suspended many men for rule transgressions in the past. Weird how a male skater bringing someone else medicine was suspended. Weird how Lee Seung-hoon and Lim Hyo-jun (who had to go all the way to the Supreme Court to get his overturned) were given suspensions. KSU is not Skate Canada or USFS, they have handed out many suspensions to "minor" and "major" digressions over the last decade or so, most of them to men, many of them very successful.

Either way, this discussion is pointless, because you have your opinion and you will have your opinion. I have half a mind to ask the mods to delete this whole discussion, because it's not going to lead to any goal. It's just cluttering up this thread.

 

[FlossieH]

Either way, this discussion is pointless, because you have your opinion and you will have your opinion. I have half a mind to ask the mods to delete this whole discussion, because it's not going to lead to any goal. It's just cluttering up this thread.

I'm sorry. I had not been intending to derail the thread when I posted the link asking whether the information was correct. I was simply trying to confirm whether the information being given in Korea was the same as that on the wider internet, given that figure skating gossips can be both biased and unreliable. With the previous thread about the case having been closed, this South Korean skating thread seemed the most appropriate place to ask - it is, after all, an issue which primarily relates to and affects South Korean skating.

 

[Joekaz]

Acting like women can't be abusers or in a position of power over others in a sport plagued with female coaches severely abusing male and female skaters is also ridiculous, but I'm sure you ignore that. Just ask the young girl beaten by Julia Lavrenchuk or those who trained under Dalilah Sappenfield.

I don't know, but - OMG - neither do you. Funny how that works.

We actually don't, we have very conflicting statements from all parties involved. What we do know however is that his hickey was seen by a coach who then reported this to the federation. That's where it started.

No of course not, if I was drinking, knowing it would lead to a suspension if I'm caught, I wouldn't rat myself out either. And clearly, he wasn't the one who started the investigation either.

No, they shouldn't. Regardless of what you think of the sexual harassment part of this story, every single skater who drank during training camps or in the dormitories of the National Training base has been suspended, so why should Young and Haein be spared? Even Olympic champions were suspended. A skater who was simply in the same car as a drunk driver was suspended for 2 months - He hadn't even drunk any alcohol himself. A coach, who was not even present during the incident, was suspended for a year "for lack of oversight".

A lot of teenagers have done "foolish" things that ruined someone else's life forever - Stupidity doesn't protect you from the consequences of your actions. I too was 18 and 19 not too long ago, and you know what I never did? Got with a 14-year-old, put myself in a situation where my relationship was skirting the lines of legality, and kept on pursuing them after everyone around me warned me. Maybe Haein is particularly immature, but she herself acknowledges that it was her responsibility as the adult in the relationship (what a weird thing to say about a romantic relationship) to not give him a hickey.

Interesting how you are ignoring that KSU has suspended many men for rule transgressions in the past. Weird how a male skater bringing someone else medicine was suspended. Weird how Lee Seung-hoon and Lim Hyo-jun (who had to go all the way to the Supreme Court to get his overturned) were given suspensions. KSU is not Skate Canada or USFS, they have handed out many suspensions to "minor" and "major" digressions over the last decade or so, most of them to men, many of them very successful.

Either way, this discussion is pointless, because you have your opinion and you will have your opinion. I have half a mind to ask the mods to delete this whole discussion, because it's not going to lead to any goal. It's just cluttering up this thread.

I agree that we have different opinions and its a waste of time talking to you. However, you were the one who initiated arguing with my post. Im not the one responsible for cluttering the thread.

 

[Jumping_Bean]

However, you were the one who initiated arguing with my post. Im not the one responsible for cluttering the thread.

And you responded both to the initial post with a very disparaging answer and also to all of my replies in kind.
Have a nice day, pleasure talking to you, let's not do it again.

 

[Daniel1998]

Jaekeun landing three axels in Riga, we're sure this boy is Korean? Super happy to see him progressing. Needs a bit more speed and musicality but the lankiness and the flow (both the hair and his movements) remind me a bit of when Junhwan first started competing in juniors. The other jumps look pretty solid, and the spins too.

Also super happy to see Nayeon medal! Redemption for last year. Good event for the Koreans overall.

 

[Jumping_Bean]

Jaekeun landing three axels in Riga, we're sure this boy is Korean? Super happy to see him progressing. Needs a bit more speed and musicality but the lankiness and the flow (both the hair and his movements) remind me a bit of when Junhwan first started competing in juniors. The other jumps look pretty solid, and the spins too.

Jaekeun has a really nice 3A, short prep time and quick take-off. So happy he did well here, so deserved. His jumps have definitely improved in stability and rotation compared to last season, which is just wonderful to see. He's turning 17 in November, so his next goal will probably include working on quads to prepare for Seniors. Hopefully, he'll stay healthy

Also super happy to see Nayeon medal! Redemption for last year. Good event for the Koreans overall.

Yes, Nayeon was such a delight, her jumps are so springy.

 

[fehervari]

The one for videos? They still upload videos on it, here's the link https://blog.naver.com/iceball_/223362774682

thank you, thank you

 

[Ichatdelune]

KSU has announced that instead of the Ranking Competition substituting for Winter Asian Games selections Universiade selections will be used, hopefully nobody has to reschedule their Challengers

 

[Ichatdelune]

Universiade and Winter Asian Games selections has been moved from 10.9-10 to 10.10-11

 

[elbkup]

OT Just a word or two about the recent KSF’s decision..
I feel sorry for them and will miss seeing their skating. The decision was severe and all concerned are so young.. wish the whole thing could have been dealt with another way..
I have said before and say it again: s…t happens when you are far away from home and do stupid stuff.. lesson learned.. I hope.

 

[Ichatdelune]

I just discovered that South Korean domestic competitions got their own sub-forum, so I'll be posting relevant information there with separate threads for each competition. As of now Universiade/Winter Asian Games selections are going to be posted

 

[Ichatdelune]

So... Hannah and Ye's reason for withdrawing from Asian Winter Games selections was that "they weren't able to participate in the Asian Winter Games" according to the KSU... It could be another thing but I'm pretty sure it's got to do with Ye's citizenship issues, god please let it be resolved before the Olympics...

 

[ladyjane]

So... Hannah and Ye's reason for withdrawing from Asian Winter Games selections was that "they weren't able to participate in the Asian Winter Games" according to the KSU... It could be another thing but I'm pretty sure it's got to do with Ye's citizenship issues, god please let it be resolved before the Olympics...

I hope so too. It would be a real shame to have to miss them!

 

[Ichatdelune]

In the next episode of "KSU what the actual f- is this", Hannah and Ye are in Korea right now and are waiting for KSU to answer back to discuss their participation in the selections Literally what the f- KSU they are supposed to be in Budapest tomorrow if they can't do selections how can you make them rush to the airport at the last minute/make them withdraw at the last minute like this this is so f-ed up I can't

 

[DemTuppesSeine]

In the next episode of "KSU what the actual f- is this", Hannah and Ye are in Korea right now and are waiting for KSU to answer back to discuss their participation in the selections Literally what the f- KSU they are supposed to be in Budapest tomorrow if they can't do selections how can you make them rush to the airport at the last minute/make them withdraw at the last minute like this this is so f-ed up I can't